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hecks (164 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Christmas Music: How Soon is too Soon?
A local station went to an all-Christmas-music format last Monday. I say that's too early. What's your personal acceptable threshold for listening to Christmas music?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
20 Nov 13 UTC
Gunboat
hey I am currently in an anonymous gunboat game, in which there are other players, and i control a country
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SYnapse (0 DX)
19 Nov 13 UTC
At which point did the Nobel Peace Prize lose all credibility?
Which of these really made it into the joke it now is?
1. When Kissinger got it
2. When Al Gore got it
3. When Obama got it
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
18 Nov 13 UTC
Saving vs investing
Thoughts? Personal approach?
Short and sweet.
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swagspencer70 (0 DX)
20 Nov 13 UTC
Mods Suck!
Haha I was able to make a second account! DC35 was right, it was easy!
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Randomizer (722 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Zimmerman arrested for pointing shotgun at girl friend
George Zimmerman arrested again on multiple charges for threatening his girl friend with a shotgun. If this had happened before the trial it would have established of history of solving problems with violence.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/18/justice/florida-george-zimmerman-arrest/
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Forum mod issues
Hi all, just writing about some changes to the mod team structure and welcoming back some extra help:
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
19 Nov 13 UTC
Is there any unbiased (in a not too strict sense) Nobel Prize?
What it says on the tin.
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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The First Amendment
see more below:
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shield (3929 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Can you cut your own support?
Example
A Paris moves to Picardy
A Brest support Paris to Picardy
A Gascony moves to Brest
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ckroberts (3548 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Tablet question
I need advice on buying a tablet.
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sirKristof (15 DX)
16 Nov 13 UTC
Bouncing yourself
Recently when trying to bounce myself, my enemy supported on of my units against the other and the bounce didn't work! Is that what's supposed to happen? I thought your units don't fight each other
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faker (100 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
NEW IDEAS, AND BEGINER HELP
please use this thread to help beginers etc. Or to discuss about new ideas before posting...
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hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
Comics!
The missus is teaching a college-level art history class, and has reached the unit on comics, both comic books and comic strips. She requests your thoughts on the following question: What single work/artist would you say has had a major impact on the development of comics as an art form?
hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
^ college-level art history class on the history of illustration, that should read.
hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
She adds, "To be more specific, I'm looking for individual works for students to use in a group activity. They'll be examining the comics work and then "curating" a small exhibition around it using works by other artists and illustrators with the goal of placing the comics work into a wider art historical context."
Maniac (184 D(B))
12 Nov 13 UTC
Are we talking about drawn cartoons aswell here like Hogarth and Gerald Scarf?
hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
Do you mean Burne Hogarth or William Hogarth?
hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
She's mostly interested in sequential frame comics, so Scarfe would be more difficult to fit into her class the way she's teaching it. Burne Hogarth did both sequential and non-sequential art. Some of his stuff would work nicely.
Maniac (184 D(B))
12 Nov 13 UTC
I was referring to William. But thanks for clarifying what sort of thing you're looking for.
hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
Yeah, I think she already taught William Hogarth during a prior unit of the class. He will, however, certainly make an interesting point of comparison.
Maniac (184 D(B))
12 Nov 13 UTC
I would include something by Reg Smythe the creator of Andy Capp. We never read newspapers when I was growing up but my uncle had a huge collection of Andy Capp and Giles books which I used to love reading when we visited him. Giles cartoons are great but non-sequential so probably don't fit the criteria.
Randomizer (722 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
Wil Eisner in addition to drawing several strips including the Spirit wrote a book on the subject of sequential art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_and_Sequential_Art
You can Google for more references.
ILN (100 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
Krazy Kat, Garfield, Calvin and Hobbes.
Comics is such a broad term. Like funny comics? Or serious comics? I haven't really read that many, nor do I know much about what is considered "good" drawing.

Animation I could help you a bit more on, but not comics
hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
@Goldfinger,
She's looking at "comic strip" type comics, traditional super-hero type comic books, and more serious indie graphic-novel and sequential art genres.
Orka (785 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
Frank miller. He's the one.
Yonni (136 D(S))
13 Nov 13 UTC
You'd have to consider Alan Moore one of the more influential writers but, if you're looking at it more from an art perspective I'm not as well versed.
kaner406 (356 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
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Look at:
Y: The last man
Preacher
The Sandman
100 bullets
The Boys

there's others, but the genre and illustrations in these comics have been incredibly influential in recent years.

Also definitely look at Frank Frazetta.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
Judge Dredd. My favourite comic character and setting ever.
semck83 (229 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
Well, it's the obvious answer, but I think Charles Schultz redefined comics with Peanuts. It went from a medium for harmless, amusing jokes to one where we cared deeply about the characters and had our deepest insecurities probed sympathetically (if also somewhat ruthlessly).

I agree Calvin and Hobbes was amazing, but it inhabited a world that didn't exist before Peanuts.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
And since it is awesome and has not been mentioned: xkcd
Celticfox (100 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
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I would say look at Alan Moore. He's been a genius.. but damn that's a broad topic to ask people to choose a single comic or person from. You could look at Stan Lee and/or Jack Kirby as well.
VirtualBob (224 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
Al Capp
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
Alex Raymond & Mac Raboy - > Flash Gordon
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
@Kaner,
Good taste. I've already given her my trades of Preacher, Y, 100 Bullets, and Sandman. I'm also a big fan of David Mack's Kabuki. I haven't got a lot of Jack Kirby, but I have some old Green Arrow collections he worked on.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
Jack Kirby helped to create Captain America, the Fantastic Four, Black Panther, Incredible Hulk and did the penciling for the first X-men series from Marvel alone. He also worked on some for DC but I don't know those ones very well.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
Yeah. Jack Kirby seems to be the one name you can't not teach. But she's also discovered some really interesting stuff from as early as the 1890s with artists breaking frame, playing with character awareness of the artist... really innovative stuff.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
This one from 1905 is one of her favorites: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Petit_Sammy_%C3%A9ternue.jpg
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
She'll be teaching lots of them, but she finds that if she asks for "the one artist" she'll get a manageable list of 5 or 6 from each person. Otherwise, she'll have hundreds of artists to sift through.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
@CelticFox,
Alan Moore is indeed amazing, but I don't think she'll be teaching him for the same reason she won't be teaching Neil Gaiman. They're both impressive writers, but there's another class at the college that specifically addresses comics as literature. Her class is focusing on comics as a visual art form and their connections to earlier forms of illustration and visual arts.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
Yeah it's a hard category. Is she also looking at Japanese comics or sticking to American. There's a few manga that have had an influence on American works as well.
Numbat (584 D(S))
13 Nov 13 UTC
Whomever wrote the Wonder Woman comics gets my vote.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
@CF,
I suggested a few Manga titles for her (Well, okay, one: Osamu Tezuka's "Buddha") but she feels like the needs to keep it Western or be overwhelmed.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
That's why I asked rather then started putting some out there.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
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http://www.avclub.com/articles/reinventing-the-pencil-21-artists-who-changed-main,30528/
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
The really tough thing is that, because she's teaching the entire history of Western illustration, there are only two classes allocated to comics. So she's going to break them up and have them each "curate" an exhibit. She's going to give them each one graphic novel to work with and have them select images from it, displaying them against contemporary and past art works to contextualize them. So far she's going to work with the following:
"Watchmen" - Dave Gibbons
"Genesis" - R. Crumb
"Fables: Legends in Exile" - Lan Medina et. al.
"Batman: The Long Halloween" - Tim Sale et. al.
"Kabuki: Metamorphosis" - David Mack
"Superman: Red Son" - Dave Johnson/Killan Plunkett
"Preacher: Gone to Texas" - Steve Dillon
Some early Green Arrow comics drawn by Jack Kirby... not sure which ones yet.

We're also going to go to the public library this weekend to dig up some Will Eisner, Frank Miller, Windsor McCay, George Harriman, and JH Williams.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
@CF,
Wow. Thanks for that avclub article. Very succinct, very clear, very useful.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
Serious or sarcasm.. hard to tell without hearing the voice.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
Sincere. I +1'd it and everything.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
YaY for +1's. I wish I had thought of it last night but hey better late then never.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
Oh, there's plenty of time. This unit doesn't start til Monday.
hecks (164 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
She's also considering showing one illustration-or-comics related movie or documentary at the tail end of the semester. "Crumb" and "American Splendor" are already on the maybe list. Any other suggestions?
loowkey (132 D)
13 Nov 13 UTC
Stray toasters by Bill Sienkiewicz; (avant garde)
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
13 Nov 13 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914
hecks (164 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Hey guys. Just wanted to pass along my wife's thanks for all the advice and suggestions. Her students did some good work on this, putting together mini-exhibits comparing comic book panels to artists as diverse as Mark Rothko, Sandro Botticelli, Winslow Homer, Piet Mondrian, Egon Schiele, and James Whistler.
Yonni (136 D(S))
19 Nov 13 UTC
On a somewhat related note: another possible attempt at making preacher into a tv show?
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/11/17/5114678/amc-reportedly-planning-preacher-pilot-with-seth-rogen
hecks (164 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Wait, I'd heard they were trying to make Preacher, but Seth Rogen? In which role? He'd be a lousy Jesse, and I'm dubious about how he'd interpret Cassidy.
Yonni (136 D(S))
19 Nov 13 UTC
I think the idea is for him and Evan Goldberg to serve as EPs. I really doubt he could play any of the main characters, even Cassidy. Maybe Arseface or some smaller role?
hecks (164 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Oh. Yes, that makes a lot more sense. I could also see him as one of the angels, either Fiore or deBlanc.


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swagspencer70 (0 DX)
19 Nov 13 UTC
SWAG
yolo
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Styje (266 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Anyone here follow Monstercat?
To the Stars by Braken is a favorite of mine - https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/braken-to-the-stars
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ILN (100 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Vigilantes oust drug cartels.
Citizens of a town in Mexico, fed up with drug cartels, mass kidnappings, murder and extortion take action against drug cartels and corrupt police. Federal government sends army http://www.newsdaily.com/world/3ca94ee88cce3438ac68ebcbe109d335/vigilantes-seize-town-in-western-mexico
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
Rob Ford
Probably the greatest story ever. We'll all be joking about him someday.

http://nesn.com/2013/11/rob-ford-goes-to-cfl-playoff-game-ends-up-standing-next-to-woman-with-sign-mocking-him-as-mayor-photo/
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
15 Nov 13 UTC
Sugar and Hyper-activity...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkr9YsmrPAI

Some things will never be resolved.
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dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
GreatDebate
I haven't given up, Thucy.
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
50 Shades of Herpes and Cocaine
If you are not yet convinced that eReaders are the supplier format for modern reading....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2509288/50-Shades-Grey-library-book-tests-positive-HERPES-COCAINE.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
The Kindle PaperWhite or Nook GlowLight are both excellent choices.
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hecks (164 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Amendment Cage Match, round 1!
I'm sick of hearing about which amendments people like the most and which they like and which ones they hate, so we'll settle this the best way possible: an amendments death match tournament! Details to follow.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Writing Thread
Haven't had one of these in a while and it might help cool everyone off. What are you writing/have you written?
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Gameshow Japan Style - 40 Minutes to Climax...
http://m.theweek.com/article.php?id=252933

Just read....40 minute climax challenge. YJ's buying his.plane tickets presently...
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Nov 13 UTC
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Mold on a HotDog...
We just found mold on a hot dog in our fridge...which I must say i was quite surprised to find. I truly thought the hot dog was invincible...

My faith in modern food science is slightly diminished. If anyone has encouraging words for me, I'd appreciate it.
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gnuvag (621 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Rules Question - Bouncing
I have a question about bouncing...

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thehamster (3263 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Mods: Live Game Help!
Hey Mods
I rarely bother you
So if you'd be so kind as to check your email. There's a cheating issue in a current live game. Thanks, Hamster
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Maniac (184 D(B))
17 Nov 13 UTC
Black Pete
Racist or a quaint tradition?
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Onar (131 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
I went to high school with this guy
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/long-island-man-arrested-plotting-join-al-qaeda-article-1.1489748

Actually, I used to play diplomacy with him, too. Weird.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
18 Nov 13 UTC
The 2nd Amendment
Everyone has their own opinions on it, but I feel rather strongly that 2nd Amendment rights should be supported, as it is not only necessary for self-defense, but as a measure of self-expression.

This summarizes my view nicely
http://imgur.com/CzkZUiQ
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