Would Balki have eliminated me over ghug in final 4? That's an interesting question.

"Would Balki have eliminated me over ghug in final 4? That's an interesting question."

I honestly don't know. Up until the last moment, I was playing everything with an eye towards getting from 4-3. I was glad to have options. As to who I would have chosen if given the choice, it's hard to replicate that decision in the abstract.

Demon, if I you thought I wouldn't betray you after you screwed me over, why would I do it before? Maybe just maybe I was trying to get you two to get along since It was likely we would get tribal immunity and I wouldn't end up on a tribe with all 3 of us at the merge. Or maybe if we didn't get immunity I was perfectly willing to sell Chaqa doen the river. (probably a x post)

@Demon: And yes, I kind of did force you into your alliance when I voted Vash. Sorry about that.

Alright Vash I get it, you're not happy with me and I'm sorry. I didn't like Chaqa. Maybe I should have told you, maybe not. Either way I wanted him gone so that's what I did, in the event we didn't get immunity I absolutely didn't believe you'd let Moscow and Oztra live over Chaqa. You know I wasn't dishonest about protecting and allying with you. If you thought that because I'm very shocked since I thought we played really close together and I told you literally everything I heard at all times. Ghug made comments like "can't we just eliminate Vash he's useless" and I said absolutely not and got annoyed. But such is life.

@Ezio, I agree with what you've said above. You have "power of retribution." Absolutely. You can wield your jury vote however you decide to wield it. The jury decides who won and what to reward.

I guess part of my point is to say this:

If I was on the jury, my criteria would not be to vote for someone who had no role in sending me to jury, or someone who had the least blood on their hands. I'm not saying "vote for the biggest liar." Or "vote for the biggest jerk." I'm saying "vote for the person who played the best strategic game and made it to the end by playing the game hard and taking control of their own destiny."

There are different paths to the end. It is possible to make it to the end through your own actions, and it is possible to sit back, and make it to the end through more good fortune than good strategy. That's the question that I think every juror should be focused on: good fortune or good strategy. I think that revenge against someone with blood on their hands is most often the kind of vote that awards good fortune and penalizes good strategy.

That's my personal belief, granted. And part of my task is to convince you that it makes sense to look at the game this way.

Do you never throw games to burn someone who tried to cut you out? I'm certain that's the correct course of action.
My argument is that your game was not strategically sound. By pissing off all of these people, you are relying on all of us not wanting to take you down.
Demon's game was more strategically sound because she made fewer enemies along the way and she has a far better final 3 than you do.
For those who want to vote for people who controlled the game and stabbed everyone along the way, they have their choice of you or Flum.
For everyone who thinks along the lines that I do: the bigger your promise the more you should get burned when you break it, we're all clearly going to vote Demon.
This is the optimal final 3 for Demon, and a terrible final 3 for you. If that's not indicative of excellent strategic planning I don't know what is.

You acted first against me Ezio.

Oh you don't believe me when I said that was just to see if Snowy was still playing the game.
That's the truth and you were just too distrustful of me to believe it.

You just stabbed uclabb. Obviously if you target me after and say it's a reaction test when people warn me I'm not going to believe it.

That's great but loyalty and trust go beyond not wanting someone voted out. If you undercut your allies while saying you want to work with them, I don't find that exceedingly loyal or trustworthy.

That was to demon btw

Also Ezio. You mentioned to Balki to vote me out to. Were you reaction testing Balki too?

Sure you can look at it that way Flum. That's your choice and that's how you acted. You're still guilty of putting yourself in a terrible final 3.

Yea flum. If I want snow to actually believe I'm moving against you I needed to leak it to balki who would leak it to Snowy and you.
If I didn't tell balki it wouldn't seem serious to Snowy at all and he'd have no reason to react.

@Vash enough of that bs, you knew I always wanted Chaqa out.

The only person who I stabbed in the merge who wasn't appearing interested in voting me was ghug. (Probably because he knew he would win regardless who was in the end)
But demon also promised me she'd take me and ghug over Balki in final 4 so it seems like both of us were ready to be disloyal in final 4.

Anyway I swear to God half of the jury members commented once or none at all. Everyone commenting here already has someone in mind and likely won't change their vote.

Also Ezio, if you really think it's unreasonable to not believe you targeting me was a reaction test, then there's nothing I can say.
Although Balki is the one who picked this final 3. I wanted snowy and Balki

@Ezio,

"Do you never throw games to burn someone who tried to cut you out? I'm certain that's the correct course of action."

No, I don't. I And I think that kind of self-centered spite does a discredit to the game and the people who play it. I think it's a shame when other people do that.

"Demon's game was more strategically sound because she made fewer enemies along the way"

This is another way of saying that Demon did less, sat back more, and relied on others to advance her in the game. That is not strategic soundness. Or maybe it is if you are very popular. It is not a "strategy" that I had at my disposal.

Also, your arguments about Demon playing better because she won at final jury are premature. Hopefully we'll hear more from Bozo, Bo, Vashta, CommanderByron, Oztra, and Moscow. Their votes are as powerful as yours. Your arguments also ascribe credit to Demon to something that was entirely based on luck. Demon had no control over who made final jury. She survived because Fluminator and I chose her. She voted for herself in the last vote.

I don't think it's unreasonable for you to stab me.
If the final three was the one you wanted, I would certainly vote for you over Snowy or Balki. Why did you agree to take out Snowy then?

You didn't have to do it then, you didn't have to do it that way and I certainly don't have to think it was the right thing to do.

If that was the final 3 I would certainly have voted for you Flum.

Lmao you really had no control either Balki. Only Flum did. Don't kid yourself.

Ghug convinced Balki to vote out snowy.
Up until the last hour I was telling Balki that we needed to take out ghug.
I did not want snowy going that round.

@balki so what are you supposed to do when nations attempt to cut you from the draw balki? If you tell them (as I told you) if you stab me I will do whatever I can to see you lose, and then they stab you, are you not supposed to throw?
I will every time. I don't make empty threats. If you stab me and I can still touch the game, I will do everything I can to see you lose.

Vash, Balki would have stabbed the living shit out of you. But believe what you will.

@Ghug can you verify that? Did you seriously convince Balki this was the optimal final 3 for him?
@Balki is what Flum said true?

I've had a lot of questions about this, so just a reminder:

This is a 48h phase and will not end until tomorrow.