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steephie22 (182 D(S))
10 Oct 13 UTC
I'm confused
I really don't have time for this, but I can't get it out of my head so maybe this helps.
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
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New Variant Trials Finished
Even though it wasn't a actual tournament or anything and the games were originally 'wait for ready up' and that stopped halfway through leading to a lot of cds... i figured as they've all come to an end i would post the "results" anyway
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Oct 13 UTC
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"Shut Down" Bullshit by Obama
If we don't Federal Workers to man the WWII memorial...how come we have enough to pay the guards to put up barricades and stand guard to prevents WWII vets from visiting? How come Obama still seems to have staff at his *golf course*?

Seems Barrack Dickhead Obama has a very selective vision of what "shut down" means...
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Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The fact that Putin is celebrating the UN disgracing itself by giving awards to Saddam Hussein is entertaining. I wonder how much oil it cost Hussein to get an awared? Saddam completely corrupted the United Nations and destroyed its credibility to a point it still hasn't recovered from.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Only a Social Darwinist would complain about a successful mass literacy program that won recognition long before the inhumane sanctions which crippled its infrastructure.

Iraq did nothing wrong in the oil-for-food program. It had every legal right to charge for the sale of its oil. And they charged a trivial amount.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Here is a link to the Volcker Committee report that unmasked the billions of dollars unaccounted for in the United Nations Oil-for-Food program that destroyed the credibility of the organization.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-109hhrg98601/pdf/CHRG-109hhrg98601.pdf
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Putin, no where in my post do I complain about the literacy program. So your charge is completely fabricated (as usual) and avoids what my post did address, the fact that Saddam Hussein corrupted the United Nations so any award from the UN to Saddam is tainted.

Of course this fact demolishes your line of reasoning therefore you desperately fabricate false charges to distract attention from that fact (as usual).
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The Volcker Committee found $10 billion dollars unaccounted for in the Oil-for-Food program. If you want to look foolish calling $10 Billion dollars a "trivial amount" feel free to do so. No one makes you look like a bigger idiot than your own posts do Putin.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The award was given long before the sanctions and oil-for-food program, which I already stated. Tainted it is not. You are complaining about the literacy program - you said it was disgraceful that they got an award for it.You swing and miss again.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The Volcker report did specifically identify $1.6 billion dollars of kickbacks and bribes to over 2,500 corporations and individuals including the family of the United Nation's general secretary Kofi Annan. You forget Putin that you lost this argument with me once before.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
You are a liar as usual Putin. I complained about the award and never even mentioned the program. This is standard operating procedure for you, lie-fabricate-distract.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
10 billion dollars is a trivial amount. The sanctions should have been lifted in 1991, since Iraq was in compliance with the UN by 1991. If they were allowed to sell oil at a low rate of $10/barrel, they would have earned $125 billion over 14 years.

The real scandal is that Iraq was deprived of legitimate sources of revenue despite its full compliance with the UN.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The award was for a literacy program. Why would you complain about an award for a successful literacy program? You called the award for a literacy program a disgrace. based on allegations occurring two decades later. You're a silly goose.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
There were no such thing as "kickbacks". Iraq had every legal right to charge for the sale of its oil. It was Iraqi oil.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Why would I complain about a UN award going to one of the most murderous, genocidal dictators in the last four decades that the UN never condemned once.
Thank you for calling $10 billion trivial Putin. Like keep saying, no one makes you look dumber that you do to yourself.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The Volcker Report called them kickbacks and bribes Putin. Thank you for claiming possess knowledge that the $30 million dollar Volcker Report doesn't. Keep posting Putin.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Putin, The Christian Science Monitor article you posted a link to doesn't mention a United Nation's award for an Iraqi development project anywhere in it.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
You supposedly believe in property rights but think Iraq had to give away its oil for free, and that the legal sale of oil is a "kickback".

"Why would I complain about a UN award going to one of the most murderous, genocidal dictators in the last four decades that the UN never condemned once."

In the late 70s? I have no idea. Maybe you exist on another time-space continuum I'm not aware of.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
From the article.

"Hussein was returning to a very different school system from the one he left in 1975. Early in his rule, Saddam was credited with creating one of the strongest school systems in the Middle East. Iraq won a UNESCO prize for eradicating illiteracy in 1982. Literacy rates for women were among the highest of all Islamic nations, and unlike most Middle East school systems, Iraqi education was largely secular."

Your laziness and/or illiteracy and/or mendacity is really tiring to deal with.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
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I stand corrected.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Again Putin you are a liar posting a fabrication. You are a liar for saying that Iraq sold its oil legally when in fact it violated the oil-for-food agreement it signed. You fabricate a kickback as a legal sale of oil.

Iraq could sign final oil contracts only with a set number of approved “lifting” companies—major oil companies that could transport the oil. But, officially unreported to the United Nations, Saddam Hussein developed a complex internal system that moved the oil through middlemen before it got to the final buyer. The initial oil sale, the Duelfer report said, was generally to a company or individual whom Saddam wanted to influence or favor. Senior Iraqi leaders, such as former Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz, and Iraqi ambassadors could nominate an individual or company to receive secret “oil vouchers”—guarantees from the regime that the holder of the voucher could buy a certain amount of oil at a set price. Iraq priced this oil below market value, so that the holder of the voucher could make a significant profit when he sold it on to another middleman or international oil company. Saddam Hussein personally approved all names on the voucher recipient lists, the Duelfer report states.

Saddam Hussein demanded kickbacks to approve these names and while his people were starving he used the kickbacks to build new palaces and bunkers for himself and his sons.
http://www.cfr.org/iraq/iraq-oil-food-scandal/p7631
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Saddam Hussein came to power in 1979. That is the "late 70's.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Oct 13 UTC
1 - Hussein was VP when he implemented the school program, in the late 70s.

2 - The UN Security Council reviewed and approved every contract involving Iraqi imports. The US had every opportunity to block these supposedly illicit deals, but never did. I wonder why? Iraq did not have sovereign control over oil sales, transfer of funds, or purchasing decisions. Iraq had to submit lists of what it wanted to buy and for what purpose. The UN had to approve the list and then Iraq was permitted to negotiate with a seller. Once a contract was approved - it was sent to UNSCOM for approval. It was then sent to the oil-for-food programme staff for approval. It was then sent to the UNSC committee on iraq sanctions for approval. This committee was staffed with over 60 technical experts from the US. But these experts never once blocked a contract because of price irregularities. Once contract was approved inspectors inspected to make sure the goods corresponded to the contract. No oil sales went into the hands of the Iraqi government at any point. The money went into an escrow account.

3 - The UN sanctions were implemented for the purpose of forcing withdrawal from Kuwait, then when that occurred, supposedly for disarmament, but yet Hussein was disarmed long before the oil-for-food program began. Instead the sanctions were used to compel regime change, completely contravening the law. The criteria for the sanctions was a continuous moving goalpost.

4 - UN inspectors admitted they were being used to spy on Iraq, again - illegal.

5 - Iraq implemented a life-saving food rationing system prior to the oil-for-food program. Far from "building palaces", Iraq's government was working diligently to save its people from starvation and economic strangulation. Iraqi sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of children. Yet you have the audacity to complain about the blood on the Iraqi government's hands?

6- Under US enforced "no-fly zones", Turkish planes repeatedly flew into Iraq to bomb Kurds, and the US launched attacks killing civilians - illegal.

7- The US lied about UNSCOM before forced out before the missile attacks on Iraq in 1998. They left voluntarily.

Who was corrupt and who cheated whom and who behaved illegally is quite clear. The Hussein government from day devoted itself to developing the country, the US militarists sought to destroy it under any pretext it could find.




Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The Volcker Report shows "who cheated whom and who behaved illegally" Putin.
Entertaining how you completely and categorically ignore that mountain of evidence because of course it destroys your fabrications.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
In honor of Putin33's love, affection, and devotion to the murderous, genocidal regime of Saddam Hussein and his sons the following evidence.

Serial Rape, torture of children, torture of entire families, this is what Putin33 celebrates. This is the type of warped mind he has.

Udayy Saddam Hussein Saddam’s elder son. He has been frequently accused of serial rape and murder of young women. He maintained a private torture chamber, known as “al-Ghurfa al-Hamra” (the Red Room), disguised as an electricity installation, in a building on the banks of the Tigris He personally executed dissidents in Basra during the uprising that followed the Gulf War in March 1991.
In one infamous incident of mass torture, Udayy Hussein ordered the national football team to be caned on the soles of their feet after losing a World Cup qualifying match. (From INDICT and other sources)
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2002/12/02/hrdossierenglish.pdf

There is first-hand evidence that the Iraqi regimetortures children. In June, a BBC correspondent,John Sweeney, visiting the Kurdish safe haven ofnorthern Iraq, reported the story of Ali, an Iraqiwho used to work for Saddam’s son Udayy.Some time after the bungled assassination ofUdayy, Ali fell under suspicion. He fled north,leaving his wife and two-year-old daughterbehind. The secret police came for his wife.They tortured her to find out where Ali was.When she did not tell them, they tortured thedaughter, half-crushing her feet. When JohnSweeney met Ali and his daughter two yearslater, she was still hobbling. Ali feared that hisdaughter had been crippled for life.Mr Sweeney also met six other witnesses innorthern Iraq with direct experience of childtorture, including another of Saddam’s enforcers– now in a Kurdish prison – who told him that aninterrogator could do anything. ‘We could makea kebab out of a child if we wanted to’ he toldMr Sweeney and chuckled.
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2002/12/02/hrdossierenglish.pdf

A Tortured Family : a case brought to the attention of the FCO
A family, arrested in late 2000, were taken to two separate interrogation centres within Republican Guard facilities located along the road to Abu Ghraib. The husband was held in one centre whilst the wife and children were held at a women’s facility. The husband and wife were interrogated under torture about the husband’s sale of a vehicle which, the interrogators said, had been captured by Iraqi security forces during a raid on Iraqi oppositionists.
The interrogators said separately to both husband and wife that they would cease the torture if they signed confessions admitting to be collaborating with the oppositionists. They refused. The wife was stripped naked and cigarettes stubbed out on all parts of her body whenever she refused to implicate her husband. She was beaten and thrown around the interrogation room. Her children were forced to watch the torture. She was eventually released, having been told that her husband would continue being tortured until she returned to confess. She was arrested again two weeks later and the same pattern of torture was repeated, leaving her a psychological wreck. During his interrogation, the husband’s arms were tied behind his back and he was then suspended in the air using a hook hung from the ceiling. This caused intense pain as his shoulder muscles and ligaments were torn. After a period, the interrogators entered the room and the husband was unhooked and placed in a chair in the middle of the room. From close range, he was then shot at with a pistol whenever he refused to agree to sign his confession. Sometimes shots were fired which missed his body, at other times the pistol muzzle was placed against his fingers, toes or arms and fired so as to mutilate these areas. Over the following two weeks further interrogations occurred at intervals, following periods of food and water deprivation. Eventually the husband’s and wife’s wider family paid a bribe to an Iraqi Intelligence officer and both the husband and wife were released. They subsequently escaped from Iraq.
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2002/12/02/hrdossierenglish.pdf
krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
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It's so nice to know that Hussein educated the young women before having them ushered into the rape rooms.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
The young women could read about their rapes in Saddam's state newspapers.
krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
You know what they say - any press is good press.
Emac (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
What happened to Putin and his celebration of the Saddam Hussein regime?
krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
He's off raping a student before giving her an unearned passing grade in emulation of his heroes.
krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
He'll than claim it isn't his fault, she was a bad egg and made him do it.
Draugnar (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
"He's off raping a student before giving her an unearned passing grade in emulation of his heroes. "

Then escorting her to an abortion clinic whether she wants the baby or not.
krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
No doubt...but the abortion clinic is just for the added torture, because we all know Putin is shootin' blanks...

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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Oct 13 UTC
Mutha Russia
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-110-people-own-35-133554175.html

You mean to tell me that Russia is an oppressive, bigoted, hateful, classist regime? No fuckin way! ........... Where are you my one dear Putinite?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
I've had enough
SSE increase their energy prices by 8.2% for winter, despite reporting £1.2 billion profit in the summer. I've had enough, who's going to join me?

Under construction: www.peopleschoiceparty.org/test
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krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Humor
I thought I'd throw a little humor out there to brighten the day. Feel free to share yours as well.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Oct 13 UTC
DEBT CEILING NEGOTIATIONS
If nobody has ever negotiated on the Debt Ceiling, as Obama and the intellectually vacant around here say, …then how did we get Sequestration after the Debt Ceiling negotiations in 2011. Sequestration was *Obama’s* plan, by the way.

How very little intellectual integrity exists within you morally perverted Democrats…
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MarquisMark (326 D(G))
23 Sep 13 UTC
Rank Questions
So how long does a player remain a Political Puppet and then move on to Member, Experienced, etc?

Is it a matter of how long you've played or how many times you've won or drawn? Or is it just based on time spent on the site? Just curious. Thanks for your help....
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trip (696 D(B))
02 Oct 13 UTC
Diplomacy for the slow and old
Any interest in a 3 to 4 day phase game? I'd definitely want WTA, but buy-in, anonymity, and map (classic or modern) are up for debate. Drop a line and your preferences if interested. Thanks.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
So, if 6 people drop out of a game, would you feel any pride about winning?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=126892#gamePanel
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Oct 13 UTC
Comet
The first remnants of a comet on the planet have apparently been discovered... http://phys.org/news/2013-10-evidence-comet-earth.html
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
09 Oct 13 UTC
League of Denial
Anyone else watching Frontline tonight?
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lajder (100 D)
07 Oct 13 UTC
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test
tesr
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blankflag (0 DX)
09 Oct 13 UTC
was lincoln great for our elite?
bill still seems to think the elite wanted to divide america so lincoln was a problem for them. but i am not so sure. lets say he did not declare war on the south and let the south kick out the norths military from their territory, would that have really benefited them much?
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
05 Oct 13 UTC
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"Wait for orders" mode
LOOK! A game-related forum thread. And from me, of all people.

So here's the thing. I really don't like "Wait for orders" mode.
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ePICFAeYL (221 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
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College Life
So a couple months ago I asked the WebDip community for advice for college. Many of you said that joining a frat would be a good idea, and at the very least I should check it out.
Well, on October 7th I am pledging to Theta Chi; are there any soon-to-be fellow frat mates on WebDip? What other fraternities are people a part of?
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
When the hell do I have to show up to play a live game?
No offense intended towards those who play day period games, but there are times when I just want to fucking play.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Oct 13 UTC
Five Popular Beliefs that are holding Humanity Back
As per below

Cheers!
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anlari (8640 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
Fog of war variant
Correct me if there is already one, but wouldn't it be cool to have a variant with 'fog of war'? You would only be able to see enemy units in territories neighbouring your own territory/armies. The uncertainty would make things very interesting.. perhaps with additional distance limitations on conversation as well
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
Very few things are more infuriating in Diplomacy
than when someone guns for you right off the bat, and it screws your game completely, and then THEY CD AT THE FIRST BIT OF ADVERSITY. Ugh. Just the worst.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
07 Oct 13 UTC
Mods refuse to cancel NMR-ruined game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=127048

Emailed a mod, the response was that its not site policy to force cancel games.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
28 Jan 13 UTC
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GUNBOAT TOURNAMENT
As has been mentioned, I am hoping to run a gunboat tournament. I intend it to be basic but also comprehensive. I will detail some "things" below. I would like to get a read on who would be interested in playing.

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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
08 Oct 13 UTC
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http://xkcd.com/1274/
B-)
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Oct 13 UTC
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pls do not +1 this thrad
i am testn the forum comet section and ned 2 see wat post look like. pls don't +1! ty!!!
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
08 Oct 13 UTC
Anyone for a live game of gunboat?
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Aqx (0 DX)
06 Oct 13 UTC
Gunboat Strategy?
Hi everyone. Could someone point me in the direction of some general gunboat strategy, especially classic? Things like opening moves for different countries, how to "coordinate" with players given the restrictions, etc. Pretty please thank you!!
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
07 Oct 13 UTC
Netanyahu ........ out of touch, sad !!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10359803/Benjamin-Netanyahu-ridiculed-over-suggestion-Iranians-are-banned-from-wearing-jeans.html
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MKECharlie (2074 D(G))
05 Oct 13 UTC
Who wants to pop my (gunboat) cherry?
There's a first time for everything…
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Test Don't Comment Or +1
Test TEST test
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
16 Sep 13 UTC
IPCC finally admits that it was lying to us all
You've gotta love this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/we-got-it-wrong-on-warming-says-ipcc/story-e6frg8y6-1226719672318
My stance on global warming for the last year has remained the same: The IPCC were exaggerating their claims, and that while global warming is happening, its not happening as quickly as climate scientists think.
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