^ including myself. But work tomorrow. Night for today.

RIP Maniac

Anyway, ##VOTE CommanderBryon

Just remember we need to get scum today.

Well, my two scum reads were town. I really suck at this. Will try to reread tomorrow.

RIP Maniac

Anyway, ##Vote ND

Just remember we need to get scum today.


Now since as far as I can see ND hasn’t given evidence against me (please direct me if I’m wrong I did a quick read through as I’ve been busy at work) I will give evidence for an actual thoughtful lynch today. Just let me get home.

Lol @ CB I see what you did there. I'm going to go make some cases for everyone detailing why i think they are either scum or town

CB is scum. 100%.

My list of reads, town at the top, scum at the bottom
Ike – Towniest town to ever town
CB – First post, D1 “I learned from my first time that narrowly targeting one person is not a good way to go” He seems to have held to that, I don’t see too much tunneling and he’s revising his reads based on new information that comes out. Day 2 he finished on Ezio with 2 confirmed townies, day 3 he ends on Maniac instead of Ezio. I don’t see scum missing the chance to bus Ezio, especially since with 30 minutes left Ezio was almost certainly going to get eaten. Day 4 he continued to pressure Maniac with me. Day 5 he ends on the wrong side of the ghug lynch, but ghug was and had been on his scum list for some time. Day 6 he pushes Maniac again. I townread CB pretty solidly, he pushed Maniac with me when Maniac looked like scum and would be good for info regardless of his flip.
RD – Toward the start of the game, I was convinced that scum had majorly influenced that D1 lynch, especially when Ezio flipped scum later. However the more and more I look at it, the more and more I think it could have honestly just been Snowy pulling the strings and town players being forced to make a decision between Chaqa and Ghug. RD has been posting quality thought out analyses on multiple players, (myself and bozo that I remember) even though they were/are wrong, it shows that he’s reading and rereading the thread to look for clues. D1 RD ended on Chaqa, D2 he ended on DO with ND, D3 he nailed Ezio and D4 he nailed Snowy. D5 he tried for Bozo and ended on ND, and D6 he ended on Bozo. I feel like he is almost in the same category as CB, he’s been pushing his scum reads, and he has hit both of them that have flipped scum so far. I’m still a little weary of D1 influence, but I’m going to lean town with RD
Peter – Peter relies on his bot, probably a little too much. A few of his arguments have good content, but most are just references to other people’s arguments or post counts. I like using post counts too, but just to get a general overview whereas peter seems to rely on them. I will give it to him though, he has nailed 2 scum like RD and he was on the wagon early in both cases, so it seems legit unless it was a very aggressive bus. I would like a solid list of reads from him, for now I’ll give him a null, which will probably change with a set of reads and case.
Oztra (Balduran) Oztra is literally impossible for me to read, Moscow posted more words than him in half the number of posts, and DO has posted 3 times as much as him despite dying N2. If I rated him any more neutral he would need to change his name to Switzerland. However, not talking at all is not friendly to town, so I’m going to lean scum. I would be very happy to see what Balduran thinks of the game thus far and for him to get active.
Uber – Vote ghug, vote ghug, vote ghug, vote ghug, bus Ezio, vote ghug, oh, ghugs dead and he wasn’t scum, vote bozo. He was planning on voting Maniac today, I’d like to hear from him now. Uber has admitted that he’s being lazy. He voted Ezio because “There are some good arguments against him. I also think it would give us some good information.” I agree that at the time he would have provided information, but at least try to make an argument. He’s been a little better than Oztra post wise, but the chain voting of ghug felt like he was beating a dead horse after the third day in a row let alone five. I feel like he was just hiding behind a wall of vote ghug. I’m going to rate him lean scum with more conviction than Oztra (balduran)
ND- I feel like ND has been tunneling on CB all game. He’s cast 7 votes, 1 on DO (town), 2 on ghug (town) one of which was a hammer, which I feel is scummy but he feels differently, and 4 votes on CB. The only case for which I can see is pg 25. “[I’m] Getting a different vibe from him this game”. ND claims that some of CB’s opening comments seemed forced but I would like to hear if he has anything else to add to that case. As is I would put ND lean scum with about the same conviction as uber.

RIP Maniac

Anyway, ##Vote ND

Just remember we need to get scum today.

That turned out way more text wall like than I wanted too and I'm sorry for that, but give it a read and tell me your thoughts guys!

i am keeping my vote on ND because he has been tunneling, he has done nothing to help town this game, made no effort to help town and I think ND is trying to keep me off him by making it seem scummy for me to vote him.

So, I will try to put my views on the remaining players, with a quick vote analysis too:

Rdrivera2005 - Stupid town
D1 voted for Bozo, Ezio and ended on Chaqa
D2 voted Bozo, Guak and ended on Demon
D3 voted Bozo then Ezio
D4 voted Snowy, Maniac and ended on Snowy
D5 Voted Bozo and ended on ND
D6 voted Bozo all day long

CommanderByron -
D1 voted for Demon, Snowy and ended on Heywood (Jamiet)
D2 voted guak, Ezio, Guak, Mos, Ghug, Mos, Ezio, Mos and ended on Ezio
D3 voted peter, Ezio, Man, Peter and ended on Maniac
D4 voted Peter, Maniac, Peter, Maniac, Ghug and ended the day on Maniac
D5 voted Ghug, ND and ended on Ghug
D6 voted ND, bozo and ended on Maniac

One interesting thing is the flip-fliping on votes in the first days. It could be town seen as trying to get reactions but it could be also seen as trying to detach from the outcome. I didn't like on D3 when he tried to get a Peter wagon going after Ezio and Guak voted Peter. And after I voted Ezio to put him on the lead, he voted for Maniac with the weirdest explanation (“I think both Ezio and Peter were scum, but also think Maniac is scum”). His voting on D4 is also really scummy. He ended all days on a town, with exception of D2 when Ezio wasn't at risk.

Balduran/Oztra
D1 voted Ghug all day long
D2 voted Guak, Mos, Ghug and ended on a No-lynch
D3 voted Jamiet all day long
D4 voted Snowy all day long
D5 voted ND all day long
D6 voted ND all day long

I have a townread on Oztra based on D2, a no-lynch vote when the top wagons are all town (Mos, Ghug and Dem at the moment) doesn't seem something a scum would do. He also put the second vote on Snowy at D4. I haven't played with Oztra as scum, but people said he played it well. Also, he looked a lot like the town Oztra from the last game.

Peterlund
D1 voted Ghug, Ezio and changed to Chaqa last minute
D2 voted Ezio all day long and changed to Mos at last minute.
D3 voted Ezio all day long
D4 voted Guak, Snowy, Maniac and ended on Snowy
D5 voted Ghug all day long
D6 voted Bozo all day long

I have peter on my townlist, but the last minute change to Mos in D2 is something scummy, as there was a last minute push on Ezio. People also tryed to turn him into a counterwagon to Ezio.

RagingIke297
D1 voted bo, Bozo, Heywood and ended on Chaqa
D2 voted uber and ended on Mos
D3 voted Vecna and ended on Maniac
D4 voted Maniac all day long
D5 voted ND all day long
D6 voted Maniac, rdrivera and ended on Bozo

I have Ike on my top townlist, but the end game paranoia is making me nervous he could be playing a Tom on us (in M30 Tom won the game for scum almost alone being calm, logic and townread by everyone). It´s just so weird that someone widely townread is still alive. Also, he was pivotal on lynching Chaga and Mos and on D3 he put Maniac on the lead over Ezio and I think D3 is an interesting day to analyze the votes. Also, he voted for town all days, this is really impressive, how someone only voted for town (well, except for ND that we don´t know) and still is widely townread. I think he could be CB partner if CB is scum.

ND/Spirit
D1 voted rdrivera all day long
D2 voted CB then Demon
D3 voted CB all day long
D4 voted Ghug all day long
D5 voted Ghug all day long
D6 voted CB day long

I just don´t have a read on ND for most of the game. He tunneled CB and then tunneled Ghug and now is back to tunneling CB. The end vote on Ghug was a stupid thing to do, but is that scummy? Why scum will call an end vote on a town that will obviously not work? I have a pretty strong feeling either CB or ND is scum, just don´t know which.


Ubercacher16
D1 voted Ghug all day long
D2 voted Ghug all day long
D3 voted Ghug and then voted Ezio
D4 voted Ghug all day long
D5 voted Ghug all day long
D6 voted Bozo all day long

I townread Uber for his D3 vote on Ezio, it was at a key moment and defined the lynch. Of course he could be bussing, but I still don't think it´s likely. The tunnel on Ghug doesn´t help to analise him. And he also voted only for town.

So, I think the two remaining scum are between CB, ND, Ike and Uber. I think we have one between the first two, so I will ##vote CB for now to see how things will go.

I think I will honor the great mafia player Maniac and ##vote ND, as he recommended. When Maniac is onto some player, he is quite often right about it too, at least more often than many other experienced players are. And now we have also learnt that Maniac was town, so even more reasons to listen extra carefully to what he said:

Maniac
Night-6 12:51
page 84 "Previously I have town read ND, but the last few days have made me think twice. The ghug v ND lynch was quite close, but even though people are still scum reading ND, he hardly figured in yesterday’s lynch. I know that two people on ND are now dead, but an ND lynch would still have had enough numbers to get him lynched. Perhaps he is scum and his scum buddy scum reads him without pushing that lynch.
I therefore propose we lynch ND tomorrow no matter who dies tonight."

But besides these observations of the mafia player Maniac, there are more reasons to vote for ND.

As you should know by now, I have been scum reading ND long time in this game. I disliked the way ND(spirit) has kept himself off the main wagons in the early game (4 times out of 6 on minor wagons), and constantly missed the opportunity to lynch scum.

D1 ending alone on rdrivera
D2 ending on DO together with rdrivera
D3 ending on CB together with guak, not ending on Ezio
D4 ending on ghug, not ending on scum snowy
D5 ending on and end voting ghug
D6 ending alone on CB

ND has been lurking heavily too. Isn't that odd from a person that normally regularly publish walls-of-text with random observation. ND claims to be busy in this game. How convenient it seems to fit...

Okay, very sorry I've been absent, but it was a bit of a sudden sub. Though I'm not caught up as of yet, my feelings at this point in my reread are as such:

Strongest town conviction: Commander Byron
I really liked his posting D1. It seemed like he was actually trying to analyse and think things out. There seems to be controversy about his later moves, but I guess I'll get there when I get there.

Next, peterlund.
I'm unsure about him, as he didn't post a ton, and his interactions with ezio could easily be fake/bussing, but his D1 late switch makes very little sense as scum (or as town, but scum would know staying on Ezio could have netted cred later, and wouldn't care about pushing a 7-5 town wagon further). So he gets a bit of a townread for now.

Rdrivera....is unfortunately a guy I've scumread a lot, many times incorrectly. That said, he still rubbed me rather the wrong way with his Ezio and later Chaqa votes, because I didn't see any real explanation. The vote to ezio doesn't make a ton of sense as scum, but maybe he thought the ezio wagon was dying? His switch could reasonably be scum trying to get off the bus. To his credit, I thought his play the first half of the day seemed pretty decent, though. I'm going to keep an eye on him as I read, but I lean scum on him.

As for the other three of you. ND subbed because Spirit didn't do anything, so as you can imagine I've got no clue on him yet, and Ubercacher wasn't much more active than Spirit, and while I dislike that, I don't know it's necessarily scum indicative. Raging Ike ran under my radar while I was reading, but looking at him in the bot, his plays seems alright? Combined with the analysis he's doing here, I lean town on him right now.

Looks like it me v ND.

Well then allow me to give a brief argument for my towniness and then a subsequent argument for NDs scumminess.

I am town.

ND is scum.

The End

In all seriousness. I am looking at this game right now and realizing that scum is winning. I’m not down to lose again. ND if you aren’t scum you really need to start playing. All others, we need to be more active. We are nearly 24 hours into this and we have no clear and honest direction. I think ND is the best lynch today A) because his tunneling all game has been very unhelpful to town. B) maniac wanted him lynched and maniac is experienced and most recent NK.

Interesting argument against Ike, RD.

It seems to me from reading everything you guys have to say that ND is the scummiest right now, ##vote ND.

Also, RIP Maniac and sorry for scum reading you.

@CB - I voted on you just to have a second wagon and gather some reaction. At this point I think either you or ND must be scum. And yes, we are losing, we have only one myslynch left and we have to catch two scum, so we need to lynch a scum today otherwise we will need a lot of luck to win, If we myslynch it will be two scum x three town tomorrow and scum just need one town to be wrong to win.
So, we need to try our best today. I tryed to gather data, but my analisys wasn´t as great as I want, players like Uber and Oztra give almost zero info other then his votes.
But what bothers me is that seems nobody even care to read what I wrote, I get no reaction whatsoever.

In that case I implore you to vote ND since I’m town.

Just home from work, not that it matters now, but I would have questioned you RD as to why you voted CB and didn't make a bigger case. We need to hit scum today and I don't think that CB is the right place to be looking. Also, can we all take a look at why Maniac was the NK last night? He was scum read by a good chunk people, why wouldn't scum want to just let the town mislynch him today and use their NK on someone else?

@Balduran, what page/day had you read to when you posted those reads? Seems like you aren't much past D1

Also @Balduran, cast your vote when you get a chance and feel comfortable with it. Please make that within the next 12 hours though and not right before the deadline. I'm very interested not only to see your first vote, but where you put it and why.

@peter can you give reads for everyone, not just ND?

I think scum lynched maniac because he was going to push ND and they knew I’d gladly vote ND. So while Maniac was a strong wagon the scum may be orotecting ND. But I believe scum would call that wifom? Right?

@RD, this question has 2 parts, 1) if you could decide which people were the 2 main wagons today who would you pick? 2) lets say everyone else voted on those two wagons you picked and tied it 3-3 who would you pick to lynch today?

@CB same question, who would be the wagons and who would you vote for in the end?

Town, I ask you all to reconsider. I am not scum. CB is scum. I am positive and I have been since I subbed in. If you vote for me this game ends with a loss. Vote for CB, and we can nail scum. Vote for me and we lose. That's all I got.

@ND, lets say CB get lynched and flips scum, who is the last scum? Lets say we lynch CB and he flips town, who would you pick for the scum team?

@Ike - The problem is that I don't have a big case on CB (and neither on ND).
I don't know why scum killed Maniac, probably because they thought Maniac is a better player then the other town that are still alive (which isn't exactly hard).

@Ike That's about right, that was mid-N1. Now I'm in D2, and I'm not a fan of how ND opened up after subbing.

(I have some other thoughts, but mostly on players that are dead now, so I'm not bothering to develop those)