@semck yes, I will let chaqa make his eod statement however it turns out.

I agree that's super important, but I'm not seeing the p.74 post you mention. Mind finding it? Thanks! (Post the first sentence, e.g., or any exact quote).

@semck re: winning strategy clearly not, the way things are turning out. All 3 remaining cleared townies (you, gtlblx, maniac) were mostly townreading ghug throughout. Is it not also a winning strategy to off those candidates who found me most suspicious, just to skew the remaining person to decide in his favor? It's entirely likely.

I think leaving bo alive to be the last lynch would be clearly preferable. If it were ghug and bo right now, I'd have voted END a long time ago.

Anyway, I now see what you meant on p. 74 about #1 scumread. I think ghug has addressed that pretty well, unfortunately.

@semck

"I agree that's super important, but I'm not seeing the p.74 post you mention. Mind finding it? Thanks! (Post the first sentence, e.g., or any exact quote)."

Ghug said:

"Second, I think the most likely scumteam right now is pj and YJ. Even though Maniac's recent nonsense is nonsense, and bo was acting stupidly around end of phase, I think that bo is likely innocent due to Warden's going after him so hard early. I'll read back and try to connect pj/YJ/Warden when I get the chance to, but that's unlikely to be before night ends."



He said this before maniac died. Maniac then died, which he argues is a pro-YJ-as-mafia kill, but he does absolutely nothing the next day to push me on this. He just kills the low hanging fruit that is bosox, despite his recent read of me.

YJ, you're misquoting me againg.

Page 74, I said
"Second, I think the most likely scumteam right now is pj and YJ. Even though Maniac's recent nonsense is nonsense, and bo was acting stupidly around end of phase, I think that bo is likely innocent due to Warden's going after him so hard early. I'll read back and try to connect pj/YJ/Warden when I get the chance to, but that's unlikely to be before night ends."

Page 77, I said
"One of the things I found damning of YJ was Warden’s pushing for doc_oc’s lynching day one, however it seems after a reread that he wasn’t really making a strong case against doc_oc or showing preference of lynching one over the other, as he really just wanted to establish himself against a bandwagon on an innocent."

This is fully explained. You were never my "number one scumread" no matter how many times you want to make up quotes, and I was pretty clear on why my reads changed.

I don't think he has... a few stupid statements by ghug should not have been enough to sway his opinion if he is acting reasonably, especially in light of the death of maniac.

I don't understand your most recent "in light of the death of maniac" post, YJ. Please elaborate.

" I think the most likely scumteam right now is pj and YJ."

How is this not saying I'm the #1 read? Are you still trying to push that you weren't almost entirely convinced that PJ was scum at that point?

Because, both maniac and PJ died that N3.

ghug has argued that PJ/YJ is his #1 scumteam.

The death of maniac, who scumread me, added to the death of PJ, who he said is the likeliest scumpair with me, then leads him to vote... bosox? It doesn't make any sense.

Here's the thing.

In my initial post at the end of last (game) night, I asked if ghug could be Machiavellian enough to play as he has since D2. I've decided he could be. After all -- if he's mafia, it's about to work, ergo it's a potentially good strategy.

The problem is, even though I know ghug is a Machiavellian dude, I need actual evidence, and I still just don't have much at all. If he's scum, he's done a virtually perfect job. The fact that he didn't kill me or gtl instead of Maniac seems incredibly significant, too.

@YJ, what about his p.77 back-off post?

PJ was my number one scumread, I thought you were his most likely partner. You've been misquoting me all day to make this case seem stronger. I was fully consistent in changing my reads, which you're refusing to admit.

Yes, you have to ultimately go with your reads, I understand that. I just hope you're not letting them be too much influenced by ghug's words.

However innocent he may seem, the case against me as scum is quite weak as well. I think it's very important to remember how sharp ghug is, as well as his almost prescient ability to finger WD and PJ very very early in the game.

Also, YJ, how is this SCUMMY? Don't you acknowledge that it would actually have been BETTER for ghug (if he's Mafia) to stay on you and argue for you, instead of bo, since he would have arrived at this day with somebody everyone thought was scum? (I, at least, had been confidently arguing for bo for about 40 pages. It's predictable that if you had been mislynched, I'd have cursed the town and voted bo and end).

I'm not able to search, can everyone redo they vote for me?

##VOTE YJ

I know, YJ, and ghug is a superb rhetorician. I've been trying to be careful. But ... his case just seems pretty strong.

I'll consider D1 some more, where he did seem scummy.

##VOTE Yellowjacket.

Semck voted YJ page 84, YJ voted me way back.

There are still 5 minutes though, Chaqa.

@semck

Seems a pretty unconvincing "back off" to me. PJ had died, and flipped scum. That should have confirmed his suspicions, not reduced them.

YJ, how is the case on you not strong? Your day two actions alone, defending Warden/PJ and trying to get PE lynched, are pretty damn scummy, and there's sufficient evidence elsewhere as well.

##VOTE ghug.

ghug, remind me why you did go after Warden D1, please. Because he went after jokers? Thin. Was there anything else?

@ghug you've tried to paint that as the case, but I've already talked it over with semck, and since he isn't currently pressing me on it, I assume he is unconvinced by your rot.

##VOTE ghug.

JUST KIDDING.

##VOTE Yellowjacket.

Sorry, wanted to see ghug's reaction. Mean of me, YJ, sorry.