RIP ghug. :/
You surely succeed well in your ambition to look scummy when you are town, maybe even a little too much... Anyhow, we will find scum for you. Maniac and ND looks really bad imho.

I also think that since maniacs vote came 12 minutes before phase end before there was anything resembling a tie, he got on board the ghug wagon to prevent a tie where ghug could control his own fate. (Now I could be misreading that entirely, but it doesn’t come across as scummy for him to try to take control out of scum hands)

@CB. Reread the tracker again. Maniac's vote came in 12 hours 33 minutes before DL.

Maniac
Day-5 00:40
page 78 "Yeah I’m here but just dipping in. At a comedy night which is pretty funny. Ghug help us out mate. When you die we need some last thoughts. I’m pretty sure your town but these guys won’t believe that even when B.B. prints it out."

Maniac claims not to have been online at deadline, but he did send a message to the thread 40 min only before deadline D5!!

Oh wow I misread that. 12 minutes v 12 hours is a big difference.

However I think with 12 hours his vote doesn’t come across as intending to sway the vote but rather putting a vote somewhere he felt comfy before heading out. The real decided will be in seeing who else is scum. I definitely don’t think the case against Maniac is strong enough.

@CB - Finally one thing I agree with you, that hammer on Snowy is something I don't see a scum doing as it will obviously backfires if it happens and Snowy flip town. This is one of the reasons I am not sure about ND. Bozo and Uber tunneled Ghug all game long, but Uber is a newbie and Bozo is far better then this when he wants (when he is trying scum).

I'm not scum, but bozo is.

@uber thanks for that clarification.

Alright everyone he isn’t scum so who should we push instead? -_-

@CB: There is no way uber and I would be that obvious in pushing a ghug lynch as scum. It is now apparent the scum team was deliberately not using the NK on ghug because there was a continuing town effort to lynch him.

@uber: Is it your argument that you were wrong about ghug but ND and I were trying to lynch him as scum? I think we should be looking off of the D4 ghug wagon.

Maniac’s log D1 EOD-45mins
Rdrivera: “I think we need a counterwagon to Ghug to get some info from this day. If Bozo don't get heat I would vote for Ezio (for the Nolynch and defending Bozo so openly) or MF (the vote on Ghug seems really opportunistic).
Can someone explain me why Chaqa, other then by being Chaqa?”

No one does explain the Chaqa wagon to Rdriveria so you would think that Ezio would be his preferred lynch.

Maniac’s log D1 EOD-29mins

Rdriveria: “Where are everybody?
Rdruveria "[][]vote Ezio to make things more interesting"
This is entirely consistent with Rdriveria reads. Still no mention of anything against Chaqa.

Maniac’s log D1 EOD-11 Mins

Riveria: “The people on Ghugs wagon are abysmal, DO and 4 lurkers.”

This effectively rules out Rdriveria jumping from Ezio to ghug.

Maniac’s log D1 EOD-10mins:

Ezio is currently leading the lynch thanks to TOWN Chaqa’s switch from ghug to Ezio. A few minutes later Ezio switches to Chaqa to tie it. Ezio obviously has to vote for Ghig or Chaqa at this stage. He decides to join SCUM Snowy on the Chaqa lynch. Did he view that as being more stable and more likely to save him? Was he aware that his own wagon would disintegrate quickly?

Maniac’s log D1 EOD-7 mins

Chaqa’s fate is effectively sealed by Rdriveria switching off Ezio and onto Chaqa. Was Rdriveria saving Ezio here? Certainly scum wouldn’t like to lose a player so early and give town information. What was Rdriveria’s reasoning? He said “Ok, Ezio at least is playing. [][]vote Chaqa”

This is cruicial. Rdriveria had scum read Ezio and dismissed Chaqa wagon, asked for reasons to vote chaqa and received none but made a jump FROM Ezio TO Chaqa obstensively because Chaqa wasn’t playing. BUT Chaqa was playing he was posting and voting right up to EOD. Rdriveria saved Ezio and killed Chaqa for the flimsiest of non-reasons.

This heavily points to Rdriveria being scum. He knows that losing scum so early is very bad for them. He was prepared to risk saving Ezio and hope that this would never be noticed.

Maniac’s log N1 EON-23.17

Riveria: “And this day wasn´t lost, we don´t get info now, but uif Ghug or Ezio flip scum at some point we can get some info about it.”

Maniac’s log: Day-2 EOD-46:52

rdrivera2005: “I am starting to have a bad feeling about Ezio. How on Earth someone could have a feeling about Uber. It was clearly stated as a vote to push a lurker to play.”

So despite Rdriveria having a bad feeling about Ezio and saying that an Ezio flip will yield information about D1 Rdriveria doesn’t vote for Ezio on D2. He votes for Bozo, Guak and Demon. RD also avoids the Ghug train despite the info that he says it would bring and being very viable.

Day 3

Rdeiveria: “Ezio is not a bad lynch, I am not sure about his alignment, but at least it will give us info about D1 and D2.” “I will [][]vote Ezio, as I think we need to close this thing and I still townread Peter.”

Interestingly this is 3hrs from EOD. Remember D1 when Rdriveria switched FROM Ezio TO Chaqa, effectively making a 2 point late swing, was Rdriveria setting up this same play if needed? As it happens Ezio goes AWOL and Ezio’s wagon gathers pace and a switch won’t change anything so Rdriveria takes the bussing town cred.

D4 – With an hour to go snowy is leading the lynch. Snowy 6, Ghug 4 and maniac 3. Losing a second scum so quickly is bad for scum so Rdriveria flips off snowy and onto me, again with flimsy reasoning. This two point swing reduces snowy’s lead and snowy is yet to vote. With 3 minutes to go, still no sign of Snowy, Rdriveria votes for snowy to put him in second place. Just afterwards Maniac switches from Ghug 1st to snowy 2nd reversing the positions and ghug seals the snowy lynch. Was Rdriveria bussing the absent snowy? Did he think he could bus without actually killing snowy but my vote caught him out? Scum are very good at making most of the situation because of their advanced info. If one of them has to die then being on that lynch is next best thing.

I think Rdriveria has saved Ezio once, being ineffective when it was ghug v Moscow and then bussed absent players for town cred.

D5 - After saying that ghug lunch would provide good info he then tried to stop a ghug lunch last night.

Then this gem? Rdriveria “It will be a big surprise if Maniac is the NK. He is either scum or is playing so badly that scum will keep him alive to the end.”

I’ve killed two scum and knew ghug was likely town. Perhaps my reads were wrong and Rdriveria knows that – but he can ONLY know that if he’s scum.

I rest my case.

All vote off Rdriveria tomorrow. Catching a bussing scum is huge for us right now. We need this.

Oztra has made it by too long by lurking. I find it suspicious how quickly he jumped on ND considering we now know that scum was trying to avoid a ghug lynch. Also, on D4 he voted snowy early with no explanation.  snowy could have told Oztra to bus him D4 because he was not going to be able to post or deliberately not going to post. I think Oztra would be a good next lynch.

@Maniac: I posted before I read your previous post. I will review your case on rdrivera.

I am inclined to town read ghug's entire D5 wagon, but uber looks suspicious for defending his strong scum read of ghug, then scum reading me and ND, the other two players who expressed strong scum reads of ghug. It is possible uber's job in the scum strategy was to maintain interest in voting ghug. However, I think we are more likely to find scum off of ghug's wagon.

@Maniac - I explained D1 more then once, just use Peters tool to look it, as I won't do this work for you. Interesting you started to scumread me after I pointed all your incongruences and refuse to jump on ND instead of Bozo. Are you Bozo's partner? You are lying and this is scummy as hell. You said I voted Snowy without reasoning and I was the first to point he saved Ezio D1 telling he wanted to save Ghug. Also, you never answered my question: why you scumread Bozo and never pushed his lynch?

That case for Rdriver is interesting. Let's see how things play out in the next day.

It looks like Maniac wrote up an interesting case on rdrivera, but I failed to understand all the details tonight doing my first read of it. Think I am too tired this evening. I will reread tomorrow. night for now.

I am still upset that I was wrong on Ghug. CB is a suspect for me going into the next day though, if I am around, which I imagine I will be.

I have reviewed Maniac's case on rdrivera and I do not agree with it. In my opinion, knowing ghug was town makes rdrivera much more likely to be town as well. Although rdrivera's switch off of Ezio D1 looks suspicious, his vote for Ezio tied Ezio with ghug, making Ezio's wagon more viable, and rdrivera's voting record on snowy looks good. I think Maniac is more likely to be scum, although they could both be town.

Is bozo protecting his scum buddy rdrivera?

Look at this:

"Rip ghug I was wrong. It happens."


Are those the words of a man who is "upset"?

Can you feel the anguish? No, you can't. ND's reaction to Ghug's flip was a shrug of the shoulders. Now he tells you he's "upset". Oh, really? Nope.

ND is so fake.

I am not sure why ghug was so confident that RagingIke is town. Ike's voting record is not very good, and his was noncommittal early, saying he voted for Chaqa and MoscowFleet as pressure votes, even though he was the third vote on MF.

I think the remaining scum will be found among RagingIke, Maniac, Oztra, and uber.

I would consider CB, but his post N3 where he responds as if he thinks Ezio flipped town was only 5 minutes after Ezio's flip was revealed, and it is easy to see how Ezio's alignment could be misread. Since that was the first mafia reveal, CB could not have known how the reveal would read, so he would have to had come up with the idea quickly of misreading Ezio's alignment to look like a town who would not know Ezio's alignment. It is possible, but I think is more likely CB really misread Ezio's alignment.

I think Maniac and Bozo are trying to stir suspicion in all the remaining players (me, Oztra, Uber, Ike). Also, Bozo is buddying me so if he flips scum Maniac can push my lynch telling I am the bussing scum.
I think scumteam is Bozo and Maniac, if I am wrong in one of them it's ND.
I have a solid townread of Ike, Jamiet and Oztra.
If they kill me, please lynch Bozo, you owe this to me, Ghug and Guak.

@rdrivera: Why do you town read Ike and Oztra?

@Jamie: Do you still scum read ND for voting END when it seems likely that the scum team would prefer to lynch someone other than ghug?