@abge: I never said i wanted to date the most attractive girl in school (she's kind of a bitch anyway). I only said i wanted to date an 8 or higher. There are about 300 sophomore girls at my school, so there are about 45 8s or better.
Also, there is a girl at my church who i consider an 8, and she has shown some signs of liking me. im planning on talking to her more on sunday. so i wouldn't say i cant get a hot girlfriend now. ;)

@zultar: Perhaps she's shy and wants to date another shy person, as is the case with the girl at my church.

Oh, and also @zultar: Gee thanks for building my confidence. Basically telling a guy that no decent girl will ever like him is a great confidence builder. Why don't you fuck the hell off?

Oh god.
Abge, I don't think he understands most what we are saying...
If you think just because a girl is talking to you, that you plan on talking with her on Sunday and that means you "can" get a hot girlfriend, then there's no helping you.
Unlike spyman, I don't think you'll remain a virgin, but I do think if you keep on thinking the way you do, your life is going to be full of disappointments. You think you deserve things when you really don't because life doesn't work that way and no one really deserves anything. Then you will blame everyone else for your mistakes and troubles.
This reminds me of that fool who wants kestas to get rid of gunboat because he doesn't know how to play it and because he doesn't know how to play it, then it's no good as a diplomacy game.

@CM, I never said anything along the line that no decent girl will like you. I think you need to go back and reread that sentence a little better.

@CM

If you have the confidence to talk to her and even ask her on a date, all the more power to you. Given the other things you've said in this thread, I was under the impression that wasn't something you'd do.

I would like some clarification though. When you say 8, are you talking purely about how she looks? Does she have any redeeming personality traits?

@abge: She seems really nice. Plus she's a Christian. Otherwise I don't know much about her, and I'm just going on looks.

@zultar: I don't think she likes me because she talked to me, I think she likes me because of things she did despite NOT really talking to me. At a church pool party, where I didn't talk to her, she left 5 minutes before I me, and when I got home she had already sent me a friend request on facebook. Then that Sunday at church, she made me a nametag and put a smileyface on it, and I don't think anyone else she made name tags for had a smileyface. Then, at a church bowling event, she hugged me when I left despite barely talking to me. So nothing iron-clad, but there still is a pretty good chance that she likes me.
Also, you basically said that any girl who is an 8 or higher and isn't dumb and is a decent person, likely wouldn't consider me. Now, that is the type of girl I want and really almost the only type of girl I'd consider decent for me. So you basically told me that any decent girl probably wouldn't consider me.

And I don't think I 'deserve' anything. I WANT a hot girlfriend, and I know that if you put your mind to it, you can do a lot of things, so I know there is a pretty good chance of me eventually getting a hot girlfriend, which is what I WANT, not what I 'deserve'.

I don't think you really read/listen to what people are saying. I don't think me and abge are trying to be judgmental. We are trying to help you. A big part of what we are saying is that you should aim for a girl that is "alike" to you, not well beyond what you can reasonably expect. If you are an eight or better and reasonably smart, you would fare better with the opposite sex by now, regardless of how shy you are (unless you have some psychological issues).
You read what we write but you don't really consider them deeply. You hear but you don't really listen.
That's all I am going to say.
PS: telling me to fuck off doesn't really help your case. Grow up a little.

And humm, no, realistically and numerically, the chance that you'll get a hot gf who has all those qualities you profess to want but yet to observe -because the only thing you know about any of them is their looks- is next to nothing.

@zultar: First of all i do have some psychological issues. second of all, your second post is one of the more absurd statements i've read. at least where i live, girls dont care about looks much; they care more about confidence. I have seen a lot of hot girls with average looking boyfriends because the guy is confident and popular. now obviously i have confidence issues, but the girl from my church doesn't seem to have high confidence either. and im fine with that, since i have low confidence.
anyway, i have to go to bed now. good night.

okay CM, lets see if i can come in here and resolve anything

Given what you have said earlier in this thread and in others, you seem like a guy who has some confidence issues and has trouble talking to girls, right? Given that information, Abge and zultar have made their judgements.

Now, a little words of my own. You said you want an 8 or higher, correct? Well don't we all. Problem is, that isn't likely to happen. I certainly haven't dated any 8's or higher. I've tried, but been rejected. It is what it is. But I've had a lot of success in the 5-6 range, and in fact, you'll probably find that you have a lot more in common with them than you would with any of these partying 8's. Also, maybe not at your age, but at mine, the 8's have been around the block several times and the 6's have not, so depending on what you want, you choose from there. Also, watch out because girls change dramatically from freshman year to senior year. One girl I know grew 3 cup sizes, another girl who freshman year was *the* hottest girl in school by senior year was unappealing to most. So just keep it in mind that they change.

But seriously, if you shoot high like that, you have a low probability of success. Its no bashing on you, its just a fact, because the hotter the girl, the more guys after her. period. I am disappointed that you put so much in looks though. I mean, for me, my standards I looked for were (in order) 1. Smart. B+ or A student. 2. Appreciated my kind of music (I was a band geek lol) and 3. were good looking. And still, with all that there were 30 or so girls who fit the bill. You just have to relax your standards on looks, because all-in-all, they're the least important thing.

Also, when you get to know girls you'll quickly find out (at least in my experience) that ALL of them have self-confidence issues, and many can be really fucked up in the head.

@gf: "you'll probably find that you have a lot more in common with them than you would with any of these partying 8's" Well, as I said before, most girls who are 8s are higher I wouldn't really want to date, because they do party all the time. But not every hot girl is like that. For example, the girl at my church I mentioned earlier.
Otherwise, it's good advice, so thank you.

Hey CM, I found a girl that's a 9.568, smarter than me, and is a christian which is really all I care about. There are some people who are indeed perfect, FIND ONE.

Your mom doesn't count, KA. That's nasty.
And I doubt you understand what a 9.568 means.

Oh, also, I neglected to mention, I already planned to , if I couldn't get a decent 8 by about halfway through next year, I would then lower my standards and go after a nice 6 or 7 instead. But that's the lowest I'll go. I could possibly see myself becoming attracted to a 6 or 7 if she's really nice and stuff, but not anyone lower than a 6.

@zultar: My mom is dead...bitch.

Necrophilia too. Damn...
I apologize.

CM, just like I said don't bash the 6's and 7's. You sound very condescending in that last post and honestly, its an asshole thing to say. Having that attitude towards women will not lead to success

@gf: What's asshole about it? I said I could become attracted to certain ones. And anyway, with a little work, almost all 6s and 7s could become 8s or 9s.

CM, the most important thing is that you love them, it doesn't matter what they look like or how they act. You can't help who you fall in love with. My advice is then to stay away from the girls you don't want to fall in love with. And a -1 on the outside is usually a 12 on the inside...in case you want to dissect her.

@zultar: Tell that to Oedipus!

"Oh, also, I neglected to mention, I already planned to , if I couldn't get a decent 8 by about halfway through next year, I would then lower my standards and go after a nice 6 or 7 instead. But that's the lowest I'll go. I could possibly see myself becoming attracted to a 6 or 7 if she's really nice and stuff, but not anyone lower than a 6."

You know why you have trouble getting girls, right?

I agree with goldfinger, refusing to even consider a girl who isn't an 8 on your arbitrarily determined scale is extremely condescending, and that aside, it greatly reduces your chances. If you are willing to be patient and wait in all likelihood years so that your first girl will be one of the hottest ones you know then good luck to you, but don't be so quick to discount girls because they don't live up to your exceptionally high physical standards. There's a lot more to having a girlfriend than just how hot she is, and just because she meets your criteria of an 8 or higher, by no means increases the likelihood that she would be worth having around on a constant basis.

In the words of my Stat teacher: "After a week or two, a hot stupid chick is just a stupid chick.

@vamosramstein: I'm just not physically attracted to most girls lower than an 8, and all girls lower thah a 6? And why the hell would you date someone you're not physically attracted to? That's just dumb. Hell, even my youth pastor said that. And anyway, just so you know, I also wouldn't date a girl who's a bitch, and I wouldn't date a girl who's really stupid, and I don't see any complaining from people about that.

First sentence should have a period, not a question mark.

I didn't say to date someone you're not attracted to, I said that you should consider more than just looks when you're considering possible candidates. Just because the girl isn't stunningly beautiful at first glance doesn't mean you won't be physically attracted to her once you actually get to know her. Physical connections can be strengthened by the emotional connection that you have, so don't think that a girl won't make a good girlfriend because she doesn't stack up to your scale of hotness rating.

That said, no I don't think that you should date someone who you're not physically attracted to, but bear in mind that there is a LOT more to dating someone than mutual physical attraction.

CM,
You have asked for advice and more than a few people have given you similar advice, but you are not listening. You really are not asking for advice but confirmation or approval, which you are not getting.
Like abge, goldfinger, and vamo said, there is more to women and dating that just looks, which is almost entirely your focus. I will be blunt: it's shallow to think that the most important thing is the way someone physically look. There should be a plethora of criteria to date and love someone; physical attraction is important and it might be a necessary condition but it is by no means a sufficient condition. You have to be open minded about this.
Moreover, you should also consider this from the opposite sex's point of view: what if they also think they want/deserve an 8 or better and won't go for a 6? Furthermore, how many girls (or guys) would knowingly go into relationships where the opposite sex is known to have psychological issues (which you say you have)? The only girl or guy who would do that has to be open minded and realizes, instinctively or intellectually, that there is much more to a person than their physical appearance or some flaws or perceived flaws.

In short, if you are going to be close minded, then why should the ladies be open minded about you?