Building a wall to enforce existing law is better than refusing to enforce the law, as Obama has done and Clinton would do.

Or if you *really* want American manufacturing to succeed, follow the German model, not the Trump model.

Screw forcing everyone into college. Have a highly efficient system of vocational schools with industry partners to do internships and training with. By the time they graduate, they will be highly skilled factory workers. Create a system of mid-sized American manufactures that buy from each other and support each other, as well as sell abroad. But to do that would take a cultural shift. Protectionism and trade deals might seems easier, but they're really not. There are huge costs associated with taking that route and less of a guarantee of success

Obama should resign for shirking his work. The executive branch is meant to enforce the law.

Why is it ridiculous to build a wall and have border security?

Aside from not being economically feasible or maintainable?
ND just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

@Goldfinger: No, he said that before coming to the aid of a NATO member he would make sure that they were paying their fair share in terms of maintaining NATO.

I am a bit dismayed that so many of you are just shrugging and saying 'whatever' when it comes to the blue collar workers in this country that are losing their jobs. It's pretty sick.

ND, far more jobs are created by new industries and technologies than are lost by the blue collar sector.

Not to mention they'll already lose their jobs to robots in a decade or so anyway

John Oliver! Lol, no thanks. I don't get my news from an HBO comedian.

Leon is absolutely right. We need to enforce the laws and have border security.

"Not to mention they'll already lose their jobs to robots in a decade or so anyway"

-Why don't we try to help them and bring some jobs back and work to preserve the jobs they have? Why write them off? The American government should be looking out for the American people and not some global interests or other countries. Christ.

"John Oliver! Lol, no thanks. I don't get my news from an HBO comedian. "

Yeah, "He's a comedian" is not a valid argument against literal evidence presented form Trump's own speeches or a litany of researchers and fact checkers. Just because he makes you laugh while dissecting the news, doesn't mean he should be dismissed.

"-Why don't we try to help them and bring some jobs back and work to preserve the jobs they have? Why write them off? The American government should be looking out for the American people and not some global interests or other countries. Christ."

Yes, and the American people will pay for your plan by having higher prices in the market with no higher wages to make up for it, stagnated growth and falling back into recession. Good job, ND. Sometimes you have to adapt to survive, and there will be costs, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Rather than focusing on a sector that will be taken over anyway, how about we try putting that capital into new things like Electric Vehicles and Space Travel (Sorry, I'm an Elon Musk fanboy) which create and replace those jobs.

So your plan is to continue killing an entire industry (manufacturing) and hope for some futuristic, idealist, vision of the future to happen? That doesn't help the people suffering right now.

Will there be higher costs by building in the US? Possibly. Will people be saving more each year through tax cuts and tax relief? Yes, under Trump they will. Will energy costs be less with an "all of the above" energy plan? Yes, under Trump they will.

Clinton offers more taxes, more Obama(ish) regulations that kill portions of America's energy sector (coal/keystone pipeline, etc). And also continues the decline of America's manufacturing blue collar work force. Trump offers solutions. Clinton continues the decline. Seems like a clear choice to me and I've made up my mind.

ND, when has America ever treated its allies so poorly? The current global order exists because our allies believe that we have their back - be it the Philippines or Estonia. If we give other countries reason to think that we won't back our word, that's an easy recipe for a rapid change in the current world order. You know that Russia, China, India, Iran, etc will jump on that. That you are not horrified that Trump could lead us down such a path shows a remarkable lack of foresight. Europe has never kept up their NATO dues. But that is not a reason to break NATO.

We're also saying "whatever" for blue collar work simply because we wish to help all those who are current blue collar workers either transfer to a different blue collar field that is non-competitive (construction, for example) or into white collar work (IT, etc).

ND - think about it from a business perspective. You could either pay $25,000 for a machine to do the work, or $15 an hour for a person to do it. Over time, the machine will do the better job. "Looking out" for the American people in this case will either entail the government forcing US businesses to shoulder billions more in expenses, or entail the government paying US businesses billions of dollars to subsidize those expenses.

I say - why incur that cost at all?

Also, @ND - any candidate that supports coal will not have my vote. Ever. Oil, I will agree with to some extent due to the many, many uses it has in todays economy. But their is no excuse to continue investing in coal. Solar is cheaper. Nuclear is cheaper. I don't care which, but we need to transition off of coal power as soon as possible.

Also, with all these tax savings and tax relief by Trump, as well as the protectionalist trade deals he will re-negotiate - what will happen to our deficit? All I see there are big negatives for the ol' government balance.

Trump reminds me of Dr Evil. :)
https://youtu.be/cKKHSAE1gIs

"Obama should resign for shirking his work. The executive branch is meant to enforce the law."
Every president would resign.

I'm also actually pretty glad Goldie showed up. I've come to like his input on economic issues.

@ND. You have to be kidding. Unlike Bush, Obama hasn't run around labeling any who disagree with him traitors. THAT's divisive. As for working in a bipartisan way, that's impossible when the Republicans met the day he took office and the leadership, McConnell specifically, opted for a strategy of opposing everything. Not to mention the fact that Ovama is black and the Republicnas have racism as a core party value. Obama could never divide what was already divided.

And no, tearing up free trade agreements isn't going to bring any jobs back on balance. It will destroy every job that serves exports.

"Why is it ridiculous to build a wall and have border security?"
Because it's throwing money at a problem, not enforcing the law. There are technologies out there that would make border maintenance more cost effective than a wall, as they would be cheaper and more efficient.

"I am a bit dismayed that so many of you are just shrugging and saying 'whatever' when it comes to the blue collar workers in this country that are losing their jobs. It's pretty sick."
Maybe they should get new jobs.

Kasparov : "Donald Trump reminds me of Vladimir Putin — and that is terrifying"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/donald-trump-reminds-me-of-vladimir-putin--and-that-is-terrifying/2016/07/23/36397692-50e5-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html

All jobs that are around export from our country are on the demise as it is. The strength in the US dollar is doing that.

Okay, so can we at least agree peterlund acting as the anti-Trump, anti-Putin propaganda machine is pretty annoying?

The only thing that the war between Clinton and Trump will bring is the desire for a viable third party. Both the far right and left are out of toon with reality. 53+% of the country are down the middle. Yet have almost zero say. That needs to change

The vicepresident of the climate change denier, is an evolution denier, y am I not surprised?

@Ogion Racism is the core value of OUR party?! Need I remind you that OUR party freed the slaves?

we are trying to help poor people through old fashioned capitalism.