@Jamiet - I am up to a Maniac lynch, his behavior today is scummy and I really dislike the way he is trying to manipulate the game.

Ok noted. Mind you I'd rather make ND into a tasty casserole.

Come on, let's butcher ND and feast on his corpse. It'll be fun.

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Please do not ban me for inciting violence against a fellow webDip user. I am not actually proposing the murder of ND in real life. Thanks!

Everyone on Ghug's wagon please answer:

Do you think Ghug's team mate has been bussing him or avoiding him?

I think Maniac is scummy and I don´t have a clear read on ND, but I think he could be town. Between ND and Ghug probably Ghug will give us more info if he flip towns then ND. Why so many people scumread Bozo and nobody wants to vote him?

I think the potential scum are: 2 of
Ghug
ND
Maniac
Bozo

I think ghug gives us the most information if he happens to be town. I think after ghug the next bus should be Maniac.

@Jamie: If ghug is scum, I think the other scum is avoiding him.

Bozo - or not since that’s what you expect from them. Scum don’t need to have all alive to win. Just one. And so getting this last bit of scum cred could be the deciding factor for the scum team. I don’t disagree with you that it would make sense but with this game that doesn’t mean we should not consider all people potential scum aftwr scum ghug is lynched.

No interest in Bozo, Jamie?

《《 Official Vote Count 5.5 》》
ghug. (6) ND*, bozotheclown, CommanderByron, Peterlund, ubercacher16, Maniac
ND (3) Oztra, Jamiet99uk, RagingIke297
bozotheclown (2) ghug, rdrivera2005

End-votes ghug: (1/6) ND

3 hours remain

《《 ghug is scheduled to be eaten 》》

Ok, bozo's not working. I'll lynch Bozo, Byron, ND, Maniac, or Oztra today, in that order. I townread everyone else and my eventual death feels pretty inevitable at this point, so I'm not going to vote outside of that to save myself.

##VOTE ND

@Ghug: I think Bozo is potential scum as I said at EoN, but I like ND better.

Is town ND really as lazy as ND is being? I need to analyse something...

@Maniac. You are funny! "if peter is wrong he must be scum" seems to be the bottom line in what you said on p76. I am simply voting for the remaining person that currently looks the most scummy to me. When I vote, I also always try to motivate my vote. Do you Maniac think that I should start voting like the rest of the crowd, without proper motivations. Ghug's regular nightkill considerations had got stuck into the back of my head, and a simple search for "ghug" and "NK*|night*" returned a lot of messages from ghug of this character. I posted some of those messages. I also noted some peculiarities in ghug's voting record which I also did report on. Maniac, are you saying that I should have kept those findings to myself? That is very scummy reasoning from your side!

It sounds like you know more than the rest of us. Do you? Do you actually know that ghug is town? Is this the reason that you already now say that if peter is wrong he must be scum, in order to get town to lynch me next, so you do not need to waste one of your precious NKs on me?

By the way Maniac, your own voting record does not impress me much either, you have been voting/pushing: ghug, Chaqa, guak, vecna AND now you are voting for ghug AGAIN! It seems like you have much more to loose than I have if ghug flips town. I just presented my findings on ghug and consequently, I did also vote for ghug. It seems like your anxiety level has increased a lot now when there is a clear prospect of ghug actually flipping. Maybe, I would look bad if I am wrong on ghug, but to be honest, I think you would look much worse, with your voting record with regards to ghug.

Home early from work, but my computer is freezing up and I really dont want to type every thing I need to on mobile

Hmmm. I looked back over past games. In most games ND doesn't post the most frequently but when he does, he writes really long wall-of-text posts. He's not been like that in this game.

However it turns out he usually does that as both scum and town, so it's not alignment indicative. HHHhhhhhhmmmmm. Pondering.

@Jamie- let’s lynch ghug get more information for the next day and then either go after ND or maybe the information we get can clear him.

We can afford a town lynch with ghug (I do think there’s a higher possibility he is scum) if it gives us a better picture of who our two are.

What does me flipping town tell you that can't be gathered already. Be concrete please.

Lynching town isn't the end of the world because it's informative, but lynching for info rather than scum is how you lose games.

Alright, here we go. Someone had asked me earlier to do reads based on ghugs flip so here they are: If ghug is scum, the people who have been not voting for him much look bad Jamie, Maniac, CB, RD, peter, Myself included. If ghug is town the people who have been throwing out an anchor on him look bad, oztra, uber, bozo, because they don't have too much of a voting record to look at outside of ghug. If ghug does end up flipping, regardless of alignment we will have a trove of information to look at from D1 and D2. However, I think all this info does not outweigh the benefit of having ghug alive late game if he is town. Scum has been going after experienced players and I think it's very possible scum are leaving ghug alive not only because of the info his flip would provide, but also because it raises suspicion against him and they are hoping town will lynch him so they don't need to spend a NK. I could be totally off base and be playing into scum ghug's hands, but that's my thoughts on a ghug flip.

To anyone voting me, do you think I'm being bussed right now?

By knowing if you are town or scum we can know if the votes Peter pointed out were with scum or town incentive which changes who you were saving/ if you were saving at all. You’ve been one of the most active and vocal players all game and you’ve had some movements and lack there of movements that will all be given concrete motivations.

@ghug, since you've been a wagon at EOD every day except 3, your flip would allow us to know what days were town vs. town, town vs. scum, scum vs. scum ect

Byron, you just said absolutely nothing. Assume I flip town. What specifically does that tell you?

There hasn't been a town vs. town day except maybe today, Ike. Ezio was a wagon for both town lynches.

Ike is actually thinking. None of you are allowed to lynch him when I'm dead. Ditto rd.

@ghug, assuming you do flip town, day 1 becomes very interesting because it was town v town v scum and there were several people that hopped of ezio right at the last minute. Day 2 would be town v town v scum v town, and there wouldn't be as much to look at there. Day 4 would be town v scum v ? and we wouldn't know too much more there until Maniac dies

I want to hear Byron's analysis, Ike. You can think when I'm dead. I only have an hour left to judge people.

Can someone look at this post:

"By knowing if you are town or scum we can know if the votes Peter pointed out were with scum or town incentive which changes who you were saving/ if you were saving at all. You’ve been one of the most active and vocal players all game and you’ve had some movements and lack there of movements that will all be given concrete motivations."

and tell me how it could possibly be construed as a response to this one?

"What does me flipping town tell you that can't be gathered already? Be concrete please."