@phil - Understand that metropolitan areas can include urban, suburban, and rural. In Cinci's case, you have some rural areas out in Clermont and Brown counties as well as northern Warren County and down into Northern Kentucky and Southeast Indiana (Cinci is a three state region). The region covers an area of more than 4000 square miles in size. By contrast Indy's MSA is just over 500 square miles (527 IIRC). It has urban, some suburbs (not much sprawl but lots of growth) and quickly gets rural. By contrast, you have to get about 25 miles or more outside of downtown Cinci to find farm land. Growing up, that wasn't the case, but Cinci's suburbs spread far and wide outside Hamilton County in the late 80s and early 90s. But in Indy's defense, it is the only true "big city" in Indiana where as Ohio has Cinci/Dayton, Akron/Canton, Columbus, Cleveland, and Toledo. Even Kentucky has more "big cities" than Indiana (Louisville and Frankfurt).