Standard Diplomacy Game 1: gameID=39448

Iberia: SilverWolf
London: TheGhostmaker
San Diego: LG TYLER DURDEN
Australia: spyman
Western Europe: hopsyturvy
South America: Xapi
Southeastern Europe: Kompole

Standard Diplomacy Game 2: gameID=39414
FINISHED
DRAW
London: dave bishop (England - 14sc's) - 84
San Diego: uclabb (Italy - 2sc's) - 72
South America: Rubetok (Russia - 3sc's) - 73
Southeastern Europe: hellalt (France - 13sc's) - 83
Iberia: StevenC. (Germany - 1sc) - 71
Australia: Napoleon of Oz (Turkey - 1sc) - 71

Public Press Game: gameID=39467
FINISHED
DRAW
San Diego: mikeconroy (France - 10sc's) - 94
South America: JesusPetry (Austria - 6sc's) - 90
Southeast Europe: Dejan0707 (Turkey - 6sc's) - 90
Australia: jasoncollins (Russia - 5sc's) - 89
Iberia: JECE (Germany - 7sc's) - 91

Gunboat Game 1: gameID=39464
FINISHED
DRAW
South America: rdrivera2005 (Austria - 16sc's) - 78
Iberia: Troodonte (Germany - 8sc's) - 74
Western Europe: hammac (France - 10sc's) - 75

Gunboat Game 2: gameID=42080
South America: rdrivera2005
Iberia: Troodonte
London: Gary
Australia: sean
Western Europe: hammac
San Diego: mujus
Southeast Europe: Hellenic Riot

POINTS SO FAR
1. South America 241
2. Iberia 236
3. Southeastern Europe 173
4. San Diego 166
5. Australia 160
6. London 84
7. Western Europe 75

JUST 2 GAMES LEFT

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Gunboat Game 2: gameID=42080
Turkey probably doesn't know how to press the draw button.
The game is a fixed 3 way draw with stalemate positions and all 3 know that (check the support hold orders everywhere)
So why won't they draw?

i'v gotten complaints about that. i want to let them play. but if they are too stupid.... Ghost should we force a draw?

Maybe Turkey hopes one of the other two stab for a two-way?

well its a def stalemate right now

Sorry, I guess my previous comment wasn't appropriate.

we are gonna let it play a couple more turns

I think they are doing this deliberately so that the other game finishes first.
If it does they will then try to manipulate the result in their game stabbing one another.

i received info someone is on vacation so this is probably temporary jsut to make it easy for them to put in orders for now. somethin like that

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gameID=42080
stalemate line
noone attacks anyone
a draw should be forced by the mods.

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I PMd DJ about this.
I think that this is an understandable move on Turkey's behalf. When that game is finished then it will directly affect the other game, since players will know what results they need.
So, personally I don't think it needs to be force-drawn. If someone was just about to win, but holding the 18th hostage rather than taking it, then things would be acceptable.

I was considering pausing it, since that would remove the need for the players to input their pointless orders, but without giving away the outcome to those in the final game?

1. "If someone was just about to win, but holding the 18th hostage rather than taking it, then things would be acceptable."
Now, they are holding the draw hostage, so I don't see the difference. The result is fixed.
2. Not drawing on purpose is manipulating the system to get an unfair advantage. Knowledge is power. My guess is that Turkey knows that if the 3way draw participants in the gunboat DON'T get revealed, then the team Turkey is playing for will win if they also get a 3 way in the other game (standard 2). 3 way draw is the most probable result there.
But if the names ARE revealed then the 2 other players in the standard game will ally to kill whatever country the team that plays Turkey in the gunboat is playing there (cause otherwise that team will win the cup)
Obviously it can't be England cause then he wouldn't have any fear, even if Austria and Turkey allied. Turkey is also safe even if Austria and England attack him.
Most likely it's Austria and probably South America or Iberia.
Haha, I got it right, didn't I?

So Turkey in the gunboat game and Austria in the standard game are the same team.
Allow him to keep the gunboat game going forever and they ll get 2 3way draw and win the cup.
Don't allow him and they don't win the cup.

1. Precisely, but my point was if he was holding the 18th centre hostage then there's no way you could complain he wasn't acting fairly.

2. Well no, he's playing the game. A draw is part of the game.

I disagree with this decision, but DJEcc says I'm to draw it.

In my opinion it was ridiculous to extend the game like this.
I really don't see the need for south america to do this.

Now that this game is finished, Jesus, your commentary was trully unappropriate... and it is worst because you knew who was Turkey... you weren't just saying what you thought Turkey was thinking... you were saying what you wanted to happen... Not correct in a gunboat game and in a tournament like this.

I believe you probably didn't do it on purpose... but you should be carefull.

Anyway... to the game (as it should be). Another great gunboat and good draw. Well played hammac and rdrivera.

Standard Diplomacy Game 1: gameID=39448

Iberia: SilverWolf
London: TheGhostmaker
San Diego: LG TYLER DURDEN
Australia: spyman
Western Europe: hopsyturvy
South America: Xapi
Southeastern Europe: Kompole

Standard Diplomacy Game 2: gameID=39414
FINISHED
DRAW
London: dave bishop (England - 14sc's) - 84
San Diego: uclabb (Italy - 2sc's) - 72
South America: Rubetok (Russia - 3sc's) - 73
Southeastern Europe: hellalt (France - 13sc's) - 83
Iberia: StevenC. (Germany - 1sc) - 71
Australia: Napoleon of Oz (Turkey - 1sc) - 71

Public Press Game: gameID=39467
FINISHED
DRAW
San Diego: mikeconroy (France - 10sc's) - 94
South America: JesusPetry (Austria - 6sc's) - 90
Southeast Europe: Dejan0707 (Turkey - 6sc's) - 90
Australia: jasoncollins (Russia - 5sc's) - 89
Iberia: JECE (Germany - 7sc's) - 91

Gunboat Game 1: gameID=39464
FINISHED
DRAW
South America: rdrivera2005 (Austria - 16sc's) - 78
Iberia: Troodonte (Germany - 8sc's) - 74
Western Europe: hammac (France - 10sc's) - 75

Gunboat Game 2: gameID=42080
FINISHED
DRAW
South America: rdrivera2005 (Turkey - 17sc's) - 78.5
Iberia: Troodonte (Germany - 9sc's) - 74.5
Western Europe: hammac (England - 8sc's) - 74

POINTS
1. South America 319.5
2. Iberia 310.5
3. Southeastern Europe 173
4. San Diego 166
5. Australia 160
6. Western Europe 149
7. London 84

JUST 1 GAME LEFT !!!
Standard Diplomacy Game 1: gameID=39448
ALL YES THERE !!!

I meant all yes there...

grrr all EYES there!