it seems to me that he was dying of kidney failure 10 years ago. I mean, the night of 9-11 he was getting dialysis in dubai. Sine then there have been some videos of him to come out (which were widely regarded as fake) and a few audiotapes (also suspect).

I do believe he's dead. I just think the whole story was kept under wraps until Obama found himself needing a boost. He can milk this story through November 2012 with ease. How do you think Bush got re-elected? He rode on the "see it through to the end" wave to get a second term. Obama is going to be the "savior of the people" for the next 18 months.

Yes this whole operation happened in 2010 when, he would have needed a boost even more with the healthcare debate and 2010 elections, instead of the beginning of 2011 when the campaign has barely begun yet. You're so brilliant and logical, Draugnar.

As I said, he can ride this wave for 18 months easy. He would have been pushing it to try and ride the wave for more than half his term.

The same George Bush who won by the lowest percentage of any incumbent in American history? Obama cannot milk this story with ease. In a month people are gonna be demanding we get out of Afghanistan immediately. If the government can't protect our own goddamn diplomatic cables from being leaked how do you expect they could keep the death of bin Laden covered up, and only release the info at a politically advantageous time? Could you even imagine what would happen if that got out? Clinton was impeached for perjury about a blow job.

You, sir, are so stupid it boggles the mind.

You're an idiot. There is never sustained rises in popularity. The 9-11 "wave" didn't last that long. The first Gulf War rise didn't last that long.

"You, sir, are so stupid it boggles the mind."

Truer words have never been said.

not to dive headlong into tin-foil-hattery, but... Havnt lots and lots of people been saying for a long time that bin laden is already dead?
like... oh I dont know
President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;
President Musharraf of Pakistan;
Oliver North
Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit;
Both pakistani and Israeli intelligence services
benizhir bhutto (sp)
fox news and the new york times.

I mean... really though. How long can you survive on dialysis? esp when you are in the last stages of kidney failure ten years ago (video early dec 2001)

and not one of pakistans desperately poor people turned him in for the 25 million reward?

At the very least, I think the new reports of his death should be treated as suspect

(double post from other bin laden thread)

"I mean... really though. How long can you survive on dialysis? esp when you are in the last stages of kidney failure ten years ago (video early dec 2001)"

Why dont you go on webmd and find out trump

"and not one of pakistans desperately poor people turned him in for the 25 million reward?"

He was living isolated in a resort town full of rich people and military, not to mention you only get 25 mil if you survive long enough, and after that all bets are off.

"
At the very least, I think the new reports of his death should be treated as suspect "

And at the very least i feel your intelligence should be treated as suspect, we all have our opinions I guess.

He's dead. My friends found a twitter account of a guy living a few blocks away from the compound and he unwittingly posted tweets of the raid, stuff like "damn helicopters outside at 1 am, go away" and such. I mean, thats on top of the fact that the President just told the nation about it and it would be a shitstorm if it didn't happen.

And figle, I don't think it was meant for Gadhaffi. They've been monitoring buildings with high comms and attacking those, assuming they are command and control facilities, which they probably are. And they are still in keeping with the UN mandate - as long as that man is alive civilians are in danger. And I am of the firm belief that if a few civilians are to die in order to take down this regime, then so be it. But as I said before, unless those civilians are in the target area, they will not be hurt. Its these mens faults that they bring their families everywhere with them, endangering them. If I was being hunted, I would distance myself far far away from my family.

that being said, why aren't we doing with Assad and Syria what we are dong with Libya? And why the huge outcry from Brazil, China and Russia over this? China and Russia I can understand, but Brazil?

Here. Happy? DNA test confirms it, you morons.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.dead/index.html?hpt=T1

Good god. They won't even put a name on the "senior administration official" who leaks the DNA test. There are already fake pictures of dead OBL wafting their way through the internets.

I want to see the wife who allegedly identified the body on TV confirming he's dead.

You seem to have learned alot from all those ridiculous ra ra ra america speeches.

So then now that Osama is dead can we pull our thousands and thousands of soldier out of Iraq and afghanistan?
Oh wait, Iraq had nothing to do with terrorists thats right, it was a war started over lies and fabrications the government told us.

If you were anything but a blockhead ideologue you'd know we're already on our way out of both places. Virtually all involvement in Iraq will end at the end of 2011 (Bush's timetable) and US troops will withdraw from Afghanistan in 2014.

2014?
hardly "on our way out" of a war thats already a decade old.

But... Would the US want to pull out their troops?
Regarding the fact that there are so many radical anti-americans in that area.

If the existence of radical anti-American people is enough to commit the US to indefinite college campuses then we're gonna have to occupy half of Europe and virtually all American college campuses as well. We'll probably keep some bases to prevent a total collapse into anarchy and maintain leverage on nuclear Pakistan, but with bin Laden gone there is no way the American people are going to support troop levels there at their current high numbers.

I always thought that there was supposed to be a trial. It's a slippery slope when the World Police start assassinating people without due process. The capture and trial of Bin Laden should have been the goal. The fucking NAZIS got a trial.

The military-industrial complex (you know that thing all those hippies, and sitting presidents whined about) has control of america.
America runs on war. And why not? its big business!

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/05/nailing-bin-laden-was-it-a-military-or-a-media-operation/

The US government’s bin Laden story was so poorly crafted that it did not last 48 hours before being fundamentally altered. Indeed, the new story put out on Tuesday by White House press secretary Jay Carney bears little resemblance to the original Sunday evening story. The fierce firefight did not occur. Osama bin Laden did not hide behind a woman. Indeed, bin Laden, Carney said, "was not armed."

The firefight story was instantly suspicious as not a single SEAL got a scratch, despite being up against al Qaeda, described by former Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld as "the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the earth."

Every original story detail has been changed. It wasn’t bin Laden’s wife who was murdered by the Navy SEALs, but the wife of an aide. It wasn’t bin Laden’s son, Khalid, who was murdered by the Navy SEALs, but son Hamza.

Carney blamed the changed story on "the fog of war." But there was no firefight, so where did the "fog of war" come from?

The White House has also had to abandon the story that President Obama and his national security team watched tensely as events unfolded in real time (despite the White House having released photos of the team watching tensely), with the operation conveyed into the White House by cameras on the SEALs helmets. If Obama was watching the event as it happened, he would have noticed, one would hope, that there was no firefight and, thus, would not have told the public that bin Laden was killed in a firefight. Another reason the story had to be abandoned is that if the event was captured on video, every news service in the world would be asking for the video, but if the event was orchestrated theater, there would be no video.

No explanation has been provided for why an unarmed bin Laden, in the absence of a firefight, was murdered by the SEALs with a shot to the head. For those who believe the government’s story that "we got bin Laden," the operation can only appear as the most botched operation in history. What kind of incompetence does it require to senselessly and needlessly kill the most valuable intelligence asset on the planet?

According to the US government, the terrorist movements of the world operated through bin Laden, "the mastermind." Thanks to a trigger-happy stupid SEAL, a bullet destroyed the most valuable terrorist information on the planet. Perhaps the SEAL was thinking that he could put a notch on his gun and brag for the rest of his life about being the macho tough guy who killed Osama bin Laden, the most dangerous man on the planet, who outwitted the US and its European and Israeli allies and inflicted humiliation on the "world’s only superpower" on 9/11.

When such a foundational story as the demise of bin Laden cannot last 48 hours without acknowledged "discrepancies" that require fundamental alternations to the story, there are grounds for suspicion in addition to the suspicions arising from the absence of a dead body, from the absence of any evidence that bin Laden was killed in the raid or that a raid even took place. The entire episode could just be another event like the August 4, 1964, Gulf of Tonkin event that never happened but succeeded in launching open warfare against North Vietnam at a huge cost to Americans and Vietnamese and enormous profits to the military/security complex.

There is no doubt that the US is sufficiently incompetent to have needlessly killed bin Laden instead of capturing him. But who can believe that the US would quickly dispose of the evidence that bin Laden had been terminated? The government’s story is not believable that the government dumped the proof of its success into the ocean, but has some photos that might be released, someday.

Governments have known from the beginning of time that they can always deceive citizens and subjects by playing the patriot card. "Remember the Maine," the "Gulf of Tonkin," "weapons of mass destruction," "the Reichstag fire" – the staged events and bogus evidence are endless. If Americans knew any history, they would not be so gullible.

The real question before us is: What agenda or agendas is the "death of bin Laden" designed to further?

There are many answers to this question. Many have noticed that Obama was facing re-election with poor approval ratings. Is anyone surprised that the New York Times/CBS Poll finds a strong rise in Obama’s poll numbers after the bin Laden raid? As the New York Times reported, "the glow of national pride" rose "above partisan politics, as support for the president rose significantly among both Republicans and independents. In all, 57 percent said they now approved of the president’s job performance, up from 46 percent."

In Washington-think, a 24% rise in approval rating justifies a staged event.

Another possibility is that Obama realized that the the budget deficit and the dollar’s rescue from collapse require the end of the expensive Afghan war and occupation and spillover war into Pakistan. As the purpose of the war was to get bin Laden, success in this objective allows the US to withdraw without loss of face, thus making it possible to reduce the US budget deficit by several hundred billion dollars annually – an easy way to have a major spending cut.

If this is the agenda, then more power to it. However, if this was Obama’s agenda, the military/security complex has quickly moved against it. CIA director Leon Panetta opened the door to false flag attacks to keep the war going by declaring that al Qaeda would avenge bin Laden’s killing. Secretary of State Clinton declared that success in killing bin Laden justified more war and more success. Homeland Security declared that the killing of bin Laden would motivate "homegrown violent extremists" into making terrorist attacks. "Homegrown violent extremists" is an undefined term, but this newly created bogyman seems to include environmentalists and war protesters. Like "suspect," the term will include anyone the government wants to pick up.

Various parts of the government quickly seized on the success in killing bin Laden to defend and advance their own agendas, such as torture. Americans were told that bin Laden was found as a result of information gleaned from torturing detainees held in Eastern European CIA secret prisons years ago.

This listing of possible agendas and add-on agendas is far from complete, but for those capable of skepticism and independent thought, it can serve as a starting point. The agendas behind the theater will reveal themselves as time goes on. All you have to do is to pay attention and to realize that most of what you hear from the mainstream media is designed to advance the agendas.

I think we all realize that there are agendas that benefit from this, but the story is true - Al Qaeda just admitted that he's dead.

But you think it was a bad idea to kill him? How much money would it have cost to protect him and put him through a show trial? How angry do you think Muslims would get at that? It is so much easier to just kill him than to take him captive. Plus, he has been so detached from his network that there probably isn't much information he could provide us. The lies were to hide the delicate public from that fact that we never intended on taking bin Laden alive - it was a kill mission

Actually, the Navy Seals Time Traveled back to 911 and deposited bin laden in the world trade center 68th floor cafeteria. Then Elvis, Bruce Lee and Andy Kaufman set the explosive charges and then Bush pushed the detonator and deposited ll the evidence of their involvement in the same vault in New Mexico with the Area 52 stuff and the fake footage of the trip to the moon.

What's Area 52? Is it Area 51's twin?

And don't you know that all of the US's conspiracies are (well were) in the leg of a pew in a church in the middle of Nevada's desert? At least they were until Stanley Goodspeed and his fiance get ahold of them.

I wonder if they found all the necessary medical equipment to keep a very sick, diabetic man alive...

"And don't you know that all of the US's conspiracies are (well were) in the leg of a pew in a church in the middle of Nevada's desert?"

This has nothing to do with conspiracy. It has everything to do with US government credibility.

It has none.

@Darwyn - I was poking a jab at Trooth. Get a clue, dude.

your poking a jab was clearly a pile on to his ridiculousness.

No, it was an attack on his ridculousness because he said Area 52. But if you are so fucking thin-skinned, well so be it...