The weather channel website is down due to volume. Too many ppl are flooding to it

I swear that is the worst pun ever

+1

that's a joke, not a pun

word play... eh, whatever

Ogion you pompous ass, you said:

"In fact, the temperatures throughout Irma's path have been anomalously high (as they largely are world wide).
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/

Keep in mind those are anomalies from going back to 1985 only, so a lot of warming is missing. It is pretty clear that global warming (as in the whole planet is hot. Without warming there would be an equal mix of blues (cooler than historical, and yellows, warmer. There is barely any blue). has made for hot water that gives strength to Irma. In other words, is Irma so very powerful because of climate change? Unequivocally yes

So, no wusti, people who are saying that climate change made this storm much stronger than it otherwise would be are right and people who say the strength of this storm has nothing to do with climate change are wrong"

So my question is this - how can an ANOMOLY be part of a global warming trend and therefore DEFINITIVELY be climate change causing Irma? By definition, an anomoly is outside the trendline, and therefore a single outlying data point.

You are pseudo-intellectual bullshitter and your pompous blurtings are painful - please stop.

@Wusti

i suppose it would make the frequency of upper end temperature anomalies to increase, but as usual, Ogion hasn't sourced anything for that

https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter14_FINAL.pdf

page 1250

that's the best data i can find.

Maybe you should look at the definition of "anomaly". It is in the website. And the. You can apologize and acknowledge you're a giant ignoramus to people who understand science a ton better than you do (namely those who trained professionally in science). (Interestingly, the term you're looking for isn't "anomaly" it's "error". Which is usually A cue for conservatives' heads to explode with "Oh my God! Science has errors!" Lol.)

I'm sure being presented with actual scientific facts are as painful to conservatives as holy water is to vampires.

james, do you put in this much effort in your school work?

Ogion, your blind assumption that anyone who disagrees with you is a Conservative is just one tiny piece of evidence supporting my assertion that you are a pompous ass.

You have no clue of my age or educational experience, and yet constantly assert your superiority.

You really should go back to your high school debating society and learn how to make a cogent argument.

@CAPT

you assume i put effort into schoolwork?

oh yeah college, garbage in garbage out

My assumption is that anyone putting forth arguments that don't begin to hold even the slightest bit of water to bend over backwards to deny the very real importance and nature of climate change is a climate change denier, in reality, and in my experience those are almost without exception conservatives. But, yes, you are right: there are a fairly small number of liberals out there who deny climate science. You could be one of those

And it isn't pomposity, it is impatience borne of thirty years of dealing with an endless stream of bogus arguments that leaves me with little patience. Sunspots, tilt of the earth's axis, fraud, chemtrails, pauses, I've heard it all and now I don't much feel like trying to patiently teach people who I am pretty sure (again, long experience) have no interest in facts or learning and only care about spewing a politically driven set of consclusions supported by ever more bogus arguments.

So, apologies if you're the rare one who actually is interested in facts and learning something

On the off chance, anomalies refers to deviation from the historical average, not the historical trend. Thus, if the reference average is taken over a period of time, often the whole record in question. Here the reference period refers to the beginning of the particular resolution of satellite data which was for the late 1980s and 1990/ for tat particular cell of rather map for this time of year. This, a positive anomaly means that the temperature right now is higher that the average over that reference period for early September. (I didn't see the temporal resolution). The fact that the entire map of the planet is positive means that the average overall has increased (e.g., the oceans have warmed, which we knew). Thus, that map shows how much warmer the oceans are compared to historical reference (which in this case is higher than historical) pre warming. Long story short, without global warming the ocean temperatures would almost certainly be colder and colder means weaker hurricanes. That's a pretty well described relationship

QED

I didn't lay all that out in afraid because I figured Bo knew all that stuff. My bad.

I shouldn't type these on iPhone. Here the "reference period" is the late 80s early 90s (ive
Forgotten the exact dates. Using those dates means we are looking at anomalies from a temperature that is itself quite a bit higher than the preindustrial averages. (What I foolishly also called "historical")

(And my reference in the earlier comment: the deviation of a single data point from a regsression trend line is typically called an error, not an anomaly although both are deviations)

I see, Wusti, you've taken your harrasment to other threads, now that you've realized you really aren't out of your depth here.

Jose is now apparently Jose is Category 4 for three cat 4 storms in a row, and Katia is only 5mph sustained winds shy of cat 3.

Katia is currently a Category 1 and already made landfall. Jose, on the other hand, is feasting, and if the high pressure system in the Bermuda doesn't arc northward, much of the population of St. Martin, already homeless and without shelter or resources of any sort from Irma and far out of the focus of US or other local rescue authorities, will probably die.

I am also concerned about the rotating tropical disturbance east of Jose. It hasn't formed yet but it hasn't reached its best waters yet either.

St-Martin / St Maarten is a problem for the French and the Dutch governments, not the United States Government

France was sending additional police and and emergency personnel to the island.

i guess the Dutch just don't care

I was really hoping you wouldn't be introducing us to hurricane Lee (I think?) just yet

St Marten and Barbuda are unbelievably tragic. I wonder when the last time any place anywhere got hit with two cat 5 (Jose now at 155, just shy of the 157 cat 5 cutoff) hurricanes in a week span.

I'm curious, do you know why they report speeds only to the nearest 5 mph?

I don't care which colonial power considers it a problem. There is no way to protect the people of that island completely at this point, but everyone should be trying. Politics are irrelevant here. The United States has the resources and the easiest access but is obviously a little busy as is.

Did Katia weaken sharply before landfall, or was in the interaction the the coastal mountains that dropped it down. Brutal to be hit with a massive earthwuake and a hurricane in the same day.

I hope the Us can see fit to help out the Caribbean countries that are truly hit hard by these storms.

I have no idea why they report speeds that way. Basic velocity radar tracks wind speeds at least to the tenths of a MPH.

Katia made legitimate landfall around a half hour ago and is a Category 1, so I would guess the former but I have admittedly paid little attention to it.

Well, let's hope. I thought it was interesting that Mexico City has an earthquake warning system, but san francisco and LA don't (so far as I know)

Do you know if they evacuated Anguilla, Barbuda and St. John's? Looking at the post Irma photos there doesn't look like there is anywhere to shelter anymore

A good family friend is from Guadeloupe. No word on her family yet. They're a little further south though

Looks like Irma was cat 4 when it hit the leewards, actually. Still

Where would they evacuate to? There's no infrastructure for that and unless the Coast Guard and other international agencies are more active than I've heard, they're on their own.