Where the hell is snowy?

Jamie, it would actually be pronounced 'En-Dee' thanks.

I'll make it simple. I find it bizarre that ghug is still alive. As a veteran, long-standing player, and he can during remote instances be insightful (but generally just awful) I would not expect him to be making it into the end-game. Second, I decided to test this today and my test told me everything I need to know. He is scum and not just lucky town evading NK.

My simple test involved 1) casting suspicion on Ghug; which I expected him to comment on since our rivalry is well known in the meta (he didn't really) 2) directly insulting him which he didn't respond too and he rarely does when I am town and he is scum and finally 3) only commenting in a passive way when I vote him.

That's how he does it when he is scum and I'm town. So I am pretty convinced on it now and will hold my vote on him.

CB is secondary. I'll find third scum and then gg town wins. Thank you ND.
Sometimes you have to call in an extraordinary player (me) to solve these things. You all are welcome. Vote Ghug and win plz. K, ty.

@Ghug: Could you explain why you are voting for Snowy? I don't really see you presenting much of a case.

@ND: Do you townread Maniac?

Does anyone think a Ghug vs Maniac EoD would be interesting?

Hey now, I insulted you when you voted for me.

eh Maniac, leaning slight town on him but honestly everyone is a suspect for the third man right now. Got to dig deeper then I'll let you know who my final suspect is.

ND- "My simple test involved 1) casting suspicion on Ghug; which I expected him to comment on since our rivalry is well known in the meta (he didn't really) 2) directly insulting him which he didn't respond too and he rarely does when I am town and he is scum and finally 3) only commenting in a passive way when I vote him.

That's how he does it when he is scum and I'm town. So I am pretty convinced on it now and will hold my vote on him."

This reasoning is weird, and you seem to say in that second paragraph that you are scum. Pretty sure that's not what you meant, but would you care to clarify?

"when he is scum and I'm town"

How is he saying that he's scum, exactly?

no I said in the second paragraph that I am town and he is scum :) lrn2read

so Ghug did you call out your 'bagman' Uber to run deflection for you?

Ghug, again, why Snowy?

Lol Uber is fucking useless. I'd tell him not to talk if he were scum.

I think snowy's vote D1 looks more like an attempt to save Ezio than anyone else's, his play has lost the luster we normally see from him as town, and the hard lurk we're seeing right now reminds me of him pretending his grandma died when he was SK.

I definitely am willing to consider ghug as scum. However Maniac is still my top scum read and I really want to push him. I feel that Maniac is so scum and that’s why today has been so contentious. Scum is hard pushing for anyone other than maniac

Why am I always home when all of you are busy! Wtf guys. -_-

Why are you voting for me if Maniac is your top scumread?

Becuse it’s not EOD and seeing who else jumps on your wagon is important information. I’ll switch my vote before EOD to Maniac.

I like your wagon goalz but you need to buy suck at reads.

##vote snowy. Let’s see what happens

《《 Official Vote Coont 4.4 》》
snowy801 (4) ghug, Oztra, rdrivera2005, guak
ghug (4) bozotheclown, ubercacher16, CommanderByron, ND
Maniac (1) RagingIke297
guak (1) peterlund
ubercacher16 (1) Jamiet99uk

Non-votes: Maniac, snowy801

*Maniac and Snowy are scheduled to be replaced or modkilled
11.5 hours remain in Day 4

《《 No one is scheduled to be eaten 》》

Really interesting day so far. I had Commander, Raging and Jamie as quite low down on my rankings but today they have all been elevated higher. All three voted for me EOD yesterday and all three have continued to make cases for me today. That isn't what scum would do as my town flip gives town more information about the D3 lynch.

Ghug is also pushing my lynch. Scum Ghug would do this as he was on Ezio yesterday and my town flip feeds into ghug's narrative that he voted scum v town on day3.

I think RdRivera and Oztra are genuinely voting snowy as their top scum read. ND gets credit for being anti-ghug.

Uber and Bozo are consistant and their fall in my rankings is because I have promoted others.

I'm neutral on Peter at the moment. Guak hasn't done much to change my opinion of him, but I am more mindful that he regularly stays on sidelines so that's probably not so allignment indicative than I've previously thought. Guak's #votesnowy to see what happens, stinks of giving himself wriggle room.

Whilst snowy is still my top scum read, I'm aware that ghug and guak are both on his wagon whereas the ghug wagon seems town led. Therefore ##voteGhug

Full list:
1 <> Chaqa TOWN D1 lynch
2 <> Bosox48 TOWN N1 NK
3 <> MoscowFleet TOWN D2 lynch
4 <> DemonOverlord TOWN N2 NK
5 up1 Vecna TOWN N3 NK
6 down1 Maniac Handsome
7 up8 CommanderByron
8 up9 RagingIke297
9 up7 Jamie
10 down1 rdrivera2005
11 up1 Oztra
12 up2 ND
13 down6 Bozotheclown
14 down6 Uberarcher16
15 down5 Peterlund
16 down3 Guak
17 down6 Ghug
18 <> snowy801
19 <> Ezio MAFIA D3 Lynch

So now guak at last gets himself onto a main wagon. Wonder for how long?

guak
Day-4 12:37
page 63 "##-vote snowy. Let’s see what happens"

But without any real motivation, *of course*. "Let's see what happens" only. What more would you expect from guak? :( Anyhow, I was hoping for more people to join me voting guak, but...

Now when 2 main wagons seems to be forming on Snowy and ghug, I did 2 searches spanning over d3, n3 and d4. The first on what snowy has said and what everyone else have said about snowy lately.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Snowy801&word=snow*&part=d3-d4&g=32&UorW=true

... and it was not too much. Not much said by snowy or about him either.

The second the same search on ghug returned a lot more:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=ghug&word=ghug*&part=d3-d4&g=32&UorW=true

Meanwhile, I will keep my vote on guak a while hoping for the guak wagon to take off, but I will now also reread a lot, checking the vote trackers with focus on these 2 names.

@Peterlund: What conclusions do you draw from the fact that Ghug is being mentioned more than Snowy? Isn't it just that Snowy is lurking while Ghug is regularly posting? What is the point you are trying to make there?

Jamie. I guess it means that vote pattern analysis will be important here to make a choise between the two...

SO WHAT IS YOUR ANALYSIS?

Get to the point, Peter. If you think analysis is important, do some!!

Jamie relax! I am out running errands, but when I am back on my mac i will.

I just think it's rather scummy that you used your bot to produce an iso on Ghug and on Snowy, which anyone could have done, and presented that as some kind of contribution, when in fact it contributes nothing.

I want information about the D3 lynch.

##VOTE MANIAC

《《 Official Vote Count 4.4 》》
ghug (5) bozotheclown, ubercacher16, CommanderByron, ND, Maniac
snowy801 (4) ghug, Oztra, rdrivera2005, guak
Maniac (2) RagingIke297, Jamiet99uk
guak (1) peterlund


Non-votes
snowy801*

6.45 hours remain in D4

《《 Ghug is scheduled to be eaten 》》

Snowy801 must vote or will be subbed out

## VOTE Maniac

As I said yesterday he is my primary scum read and as has been pointed out he gives most information about the D3 lynch. I see no way this can go wrong.