Holy shit Croak you are one gullible fuck.

He's little more than a bot programmed to retweet Daily Mail headlines.

Well you can’t succeed on Broadway if you haven’t any Jews.

I can take comfort in the fact that it's at least more accurate than being programmed to repeat stuff from The Guardian.

I don't read the Grauniad.

I don't read the Dally Miai.

I'm no fan of the Guardian, but there's a good reason its investigative journalists are in the international media alliances that went after major fish like the Panama & Paradise Papers, and the Daily Mail's are not.

I'm also a Leftie who voted Leave, though, so apparently I can't exist in Croak's world.

You're a Leftie who voted Leave? Tautology.

I'm a leftie who voted leave too.

Neither of these people are lefties

What do you base that on, DO?

I'm a right winger who voted remain. Variety is the spice of life, they say.

I lean left. I voted remain. TM is getting us into a mess.

My solution would be RoI to IREXIT but that is most unlikely

Would I be right in assuming that you were swayed by the economic argument, Octavious? A lot of the conservative remainers i've spoken to are people who did not like the uncertainty and instability likely to come with decoupling ourselves politically from some of our most prominent trading partners, fully acknowledging that if we remained the EU bureaucracy was likely to push on with their ambitions of ever-closer-union but considering that a small price to pay to reassure the markets.

And btw I'm listening to the Stranglers

Something better change

Croak, what do you think the ultimate goal is?

Of what?

EU

UN

@C&D

Not really. I was convinced that there was an economic advantage to being in, but it was mostly because I felt the scenario in which we were members and could steer the EU in a less ever-closer union direction was by far preferable to us being neighbours to a European Superstate. In an ideal world the European Union wouldn't exist, but sadly that wasn't one of the options available.

Us?

Octavious did you consider the inevitable collapse of the project without GB/UK (Identity Crisis).

Being drunk doesn't suit you, damo.

Well damo666, it is my assessment that all major multinational institutions - whether they be impenetrable bureaucratic monoliths like the EU or imperious corporate empires - have broadly similar ultimate goals. Consolidation of as much power and influence under a single body and control of as many people and assets as possible.

The EU's expansionist stance has been evidenced in their support for independence movements whose stated aims are assimilation into the EU (See: Croatia 1992, Ukraine 2014) and their ambitions for hawkish imperialism are seen in their eager pushing for an EU armed forces. The phrase "Ever-closer-union" has been their catchphrase for years, and they have consistently overridden democratic efforts to slow integration down. (See: referendums in France 2005/Eire 2008 re: the EU constitution) A federated EU superstate is their end goal, and while they claim to respect the individual customs and cultures of their member states, the EU on the whole is not flexible enough to account for them all and will eventually result in the destruction of European diversity that stretches back thousands of years if not stopped.

Did you consider that the EU might be stronger and better without the UK holding it back?

Cheers man, love it.

And the EU is not a superstate nor an empire. I think the members of the EU are much better within than outside. Look at the wealth created, uplifting of poorer members and peace between it's members.