Lol, Eden, not to make light of the situation by agreeing, but that is indeed very funny.

Draugnar: WHAT FEMALE!!!!!!!!!! I GOT NO FUCKING FEMALE!!!!!!!!!!!!
abgemacht: I sent you a female at noon. You have a lot of females with us. Perhaps it's the wrong one? I'll forward it to a different address.
abgemacht: Yes, clearly I sent it to an old address of yours; for that I apologize.
Draugnar: So, now I'm to be expected to check for your females everywhere instead of you practicing due diligence? I'm tired of this bullshit. Fuck off. I don't care what the end result of the investigatiopn was.

Ban my account and remove my females from *everything* related here. I will take no revenge. I just want to be done with this bullshit and the easiest way is to never fucking return.

Is he really gone. :(...

Okay, better now.

So he is gone? :( ...

Okay, better now.

NikeFlash: You completely stoked that situation and provoked Draugnar. You were obnoxious and unhelpful on every level. Even your comment above is petty and pathetic.

And you had the rudeness to post it twice. I wish you had left, not Draugnar.

Yup, me too. This whole fiasco is completely my fault, I am the one that created the game. I am a rude asshole. Bite me. Or better yet, mute me so I do not have to deal with you calling me rude all the time. When have I ever claimed to be polite?

In my four years on this site all I've seen you do is whine. Doubt the site would miss you much. I certainly won't.

Draug dug his own grave. Nike may have thrown him a shovel or two, but Draug did the digging. His own actions and poor reaction created and exasperated the problem.

@sarg: I like you. I have been called a lot of names in my time, but rude is prolly the most honest. I will not deny it, and I most certainly will not change my personality to fit your standards of PC-ness. But I do commend you for once again outing me as a rude, obnoxious person.

I actually like Draug. Luckily, I know his threats hold no water, so I know I'll see him again.

Me too, abgemacht. Me too.

While I do like Draug and he's a good opponent he quits so often that I'm not willing to enter games with him anymore for concern he'll quit or manage to get the game cancelled.

"Go back and read everything in this thread by replacing "email" with "female."

You're welcome."

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/busey_clapping.gif

Anyone else get the impression that Draug is going through menopause?

Typical fagnar reaction.

I was one of the players in the game that Draug cheated in. And 5 of the 6 of his opponents thought points deduction was necessary.

On top of that Abge contacted other mods about the instant and he paused the game in question 5 hours before taking any additional action and talked to the other players for at least an hour during that time.

It wasn't an instant decision and I support his action 100%

Fasces, what happened exactly? The game was canceled before I could get online.

Hey ghug, here's the breakdown:
Draugnar was having his pissing contest about who the Draugnarest, and when the orders went through, he proved himself to be it. He finalized builds at ~8am, meaning there was no possible way to undo his deed. Nike, Sarg, and I all flipped our shit, Draug laughed and exclaimed in the forums that he did it intentionally to get the game cancelled prior to 1904, so I contacted the mods. Abge paused, said "figure it out." Sarg and I butted heads a moment, abge ask for the rules to be reiterated, abge said "hands are tied by your own rules. You have 24 hours or I cancel for you." That's the gist of it.

@ghug: I'll PM you, since I am not 100% the mods would approve of me posting the full details in the forum, since one of the few rules of this site is no cheating accusations in the forum.

or not since dub already posted it...

apparently requesting less than 100 pages of search results from the same ip address is enough to crash the site, from what i've heard. if that is true, then maybe a dos attack is possible.

don't give Faugnar any ideas

sounds too good to be true though.

If someone cheats why don't you just ban them ......... simples !!

I would like to remind people that "self-moderation" doesn't mean "no moderation." While not strictly against the rules, actively talking about bringing down the site is not the least bit appropriate. It would be a real shame if the mod team was forced to take a more active approach to moderating the forum because people didn't have the smallest amount of self control.

For the record, there are two active admins. Abge and myself. There is one owner and person with all the power, and that is kestas. We report to kestas. If anyone has any issues with something abge, myself, or both of us do, you can talk to kestas.

We -never- (to my knowledge) have punished someone for bitching about us. We will respond, we will talk, but we try to resolve issues in a civil manner. What happened here is something that happened in game, not in the forum. The only thing we really punish in the forum is spamming and rules violations (like cheating accusations, talking about an ongoing game, etc...).

Abge DID talk to me when the issue came up and I encouraged a harsher punishment, but abge eased up on my suggestion.

Draug sent an email for clarification and rechecking the crime/punishment from another mod. Since abge is a mod, that leaves me for the person to check into it so I gave him the rules he was in violation of. Abge, while straight forward, is correct in that some folks want to see things down to a 't' in the rules on violations and punishments like this was a courtroom. This isn't law & order, folks. This is a game. While we try to do things in a fair manner and respect the players, we are here to correct cheating and to correct any issues that make a game unfair __outside of the basic play and rules of diplomacy__ (ie - using the pause button as a dip tactic, etc...). Any law or rule is open to interpretation, and while most sites have a "mods/admins can change the rules at will and punish accordingly" as a 'loophole catcher', we at webdip do not. We have one 'loophole catcher' which kestas put in that shows the respect we have our players: The 'common sense' rule (go read it... this is my nice way of getting everyone to go through the rules again real quick to see how it is geared to respect you, not just give you rules to follow).

We are in the process of wording a couple new rules to clarify some issues people have a hard time grasping (and get kestas approval), but realize that the punishments aren't published because we take each and every case in a case-by-case basis (with the exception of repeat violators), so we try to make the punishments match the severity of the crime and how we want the ruling to be carried out (which is almost always having a player continuing to play, but not cheating or ruining the fun of the site).

Lastly, as abge mentioned, he is a big supporter of draug and likes draug. I personally consider him a friend and have had personal emails from draug and will even admit to trying to encourage him to return after the last fiasco. We like draug. We appreciate his voice, we appreciate his love of the game and the site. We think he's an extremely valuable member of the site, we just wish there wasn't so many outbursts like this that end up in site-wide drama.

PS - while threats carry little water and not much consideration, if there is someone who tries to purposely harm the server, do realize that if we have the capability of catching not only multi's but meta's, it is probably worth recognizing that there are tools in place already to track down who you are, timestamps to give to proxies to reverse connection lookups to find the specific users who are trying to do it, and laws in the various countries where the servers, owner, and end user lives in to cause more harm to you than the simple 'revenge' you get against some game moderators you are mad at. Please do not take it to that level unless you are willing to deal with the consequences. Whether or not YOU think it is a crime is insignificant. You can still be accused, have to go through the court system ($$$) and deal with whatever punishment a judge or jury deems worth if convicted. Simply getting to that level is taking your feelings in a game far further than it should ever go.

@ghug, I guess I forgot to mention in my narrative why Draugnar lost points. It was due to his intentions being stated to ruin the game for everyone else, knowing full well what he had signed up for and knowing that it would ruin everyone else's fun.

Although, thanks to abge, Draugnar was very entertaining for the community. I know I laughed and slapped my knees a few times!

Whoops, "since abge is a mod..." should read "since abge is an admin..."

Basically, if a mod (geo, thucy, ye) has an ruling someone thinks is unfair, another mod can come in to check it, but (usually) an admin will do the full check of everything. When abge or I have an 'appeal', the other has to take it, or we need to bug kestas to take a look at it.

Regardless of who is in question, the person in charge will usually ask the rest of the mod group their thoughts to consider and we try to refrain from talking to the mod who made the original decision so as not to be swayed or biased by that opinion.

We really do try to be fair and respect the players even in the things we do behind closed doors. Please understand that.

+1 for fk's post.

Regardless of whether you agree with the mods and their actions, threatening to bring down the site for whatever reasons (or actually doing it) is just the action of a petulant, petty person.
That thought in itself is more mind boggling to me than anyone's trolling, cheating, and whatever else.
Just because you donated to the site does not entitle you to do whatever the hell you wanted. Just because the mods, rightfully or wrongfully, acted against you does not entitle you to bring down the whole site where thousands of other people are using for vengeance.

If you do not like this site, LEAVE. It is that simple.

@dub I think we all were rotfl-ing throughout that game (until the end), except maybe sarg, I think he took a few things personally.