But Eden's point is right. There is a difference between those of us who have been here longer (myself, Eden Dejan, Octavious) and those who have not.

"But how likely is it that you'll miss the context of many threads?"

Actually goldeen, just the other day, MM directed a very condescending post at me because he did not see what I was actually replying to as he had the person who's username I can't remember muted. It happens a lot.

Sitting children down in a room by themselves is silencing them entirely - removing them from a situation where they can't be heard, what you're proposing is we all sit in the same room but some of us wear ear plugs and hope we aren't the target of vitriol.

I normally apologize if I feel ive done something wrong that violates the rules on this forum. I feel no responsibility for this person being banned. He was a disgusting, waste of page space. That being said if you cant take a joke then dont go on the internet either. I make fun of Capt Brad all the time because hes clearly a lunatic who probably needs psychiatric help. That being said I enjoy brads presence. He adds a flavor to this forum. We need bumbling oafs and im fine being that liberal version of that.

My only apology would be for making the mods have to act and reply to kansas' worthless complaint emails he no doubt hounded them with. Good riddance.

As for the comments by Octavious and a number of others who it feels like need their arms twisted to support this decision, why am I not surprised. Youve never liked me and ive never much cared for yall either. But we exist. We coexist and you dont see me making incindiary flame posts aboiut you or screaming for mods everytime yall blast me on here. There was a while where I was the most hated person on here.

Id like to think ive grown on this place. ;)

@goldeen - you're conveniently ignoring other old members like bo_sox, brainbomb and HR?

You know why my conservative friends and family love me?

Because I can out argue them and prove their philosophies are flawed with a smile on my face, I can make them laugh, but it still doesnt change them. Its still fun tho. I like winning.

To be clear, racism, sexism and the like exist because people have been willing to smile and look the other way for too long. Look at how people are bending over backwards to defend the child molester Roy Moore. This is a guy who opined from the bench that they should go easy on a guy who raped a four year old because there was "no clear indication of a serious threat." A four year old!

So, yes, it is incumbent that decent people draw a hard line and absolutely make life miserable for those who excuse the harm to others. Anything else is giving consent.

So, if KB gets himself in trouble by being confronted (which I stopped doing because I had him muted) that's his problem. The easy solution is to stop being a bigoted asshole.

Trying to frame that debate as oldies vs newbies is rather bemusing, given this discussion has come repeatedly for a long long time. Sure, you get different faces as time goes on, but that's not what draws the battlelines up.

I have to say that in all the years I've been moderating this site, I've interacted with a lot of people who could be described as "troublemakers". Some of them are banned now, some of them are not. Most of them could be perfectly reasonable at times. You could have normal conversations, respectful disagreements, and they were quite human. Then, sometimes, they would be "set-off" as it were and go on a bit of a rampage, resulting in moderator involvement being required. KansasBoyd, however, is the only individual I can remember who was *always* on one of those rampages, and completely and utterly unable to have a respectful discussion. Some of his PM harassment was launched at people who had done nothing whatsoever to provoke him in any way, for no apparent reason other than the fact that they were online. He is quite exceptional in this regard, and not pleasantly so.

Nobody else has been as consistently furious as KB, without any pause, detente, or even attempting to follow the rules. He was a complete negative in all those regards, and managed to take his forum drama and spread it into games as well, as opposed to other ex-users who were perfectly reasonable in games whilst going on their forum rampages. He will not be missed.

"As for the comments by Octavious and a number of others who it feels like need their arms twisted to support this decision, why am I not surprised. Youve never liked me and ive never much cared for yall either. But we exist. We coexist and you dont see me making incindiary flame posts aboiut you or screaming for mods everytime yall blast me on here. There was a while where I was the most hated person on here.

Id like to think ive grown on this place. ;)"

You realize no one opposes this ban and that we all love you right?
We just think we can all do a bit better. Literally all there is to us.

"@goldeen - you're conveniently ignoring other old members like bo_sox, brainbomb and HR?"

>older members
>bo_sox

oh god help us all.

He joined in 2011 and you joined in 2010?

"So, if KB gets himself in trouble by being confronted (which I stopped doing because I had him muted) that's his problem. The easy solution is to stop being a bigoted asshole."

Hes just some loser on the internet with a hate for open minded people. Its over. I have concerns that he is unstable if hes literally trying to call the cops on webdip members and thinks anyone here gives a shit enough to actually track him down in real life...

I mean have yall ever been to kansas? You think nebraska is scary... fuck they dont even sell alcohol or have abortion clinics in kansas. Place is a desolate graveyard of lost Hayak-ian failed economics

(1) I like to think of myself as one of the quietest old members (been here since 2009), and most of you probably don't recognize me at all.

Does that mean I'm an old member?

(2) I've seen the forum change a lot, and I haven't always been a fan of the changes, in rules and in content. I was a part of KansasBoyd's 1st game on this site...

(3) and while I have a large tolerance for how people choose to act and talk in game and forum, KB stood out immdiately his first game.

"He joined in 2011 and you joined in 2010?"

There's a lot of nuance to it that I would have trouble explaining.
bo is certainly one of the veteran users around today, don't get me wrong, but webdip generations are short. It's kinda like graduating classes in schools.

HR is right anyway, it's not _really_ an old kids / new kids thing. I was just amused to see that there was somewhat of a divide on the reaction here between people I remember from the WW forum days and people who were more prominent/active/etc. afterward. It was a different time.

(4) I agree with the comments saying we should be holding ourselves to a higher standard and not baiting people or targeting them specifically...

Also bo is definitely one of the people from the WW forum days. I just like messing with him because he was a high schooler when he started posting. Bo is my boi.

(5) but I also know that KB acted this way in the first game on the site before they were ever targeted, and their banning was well deserved.

Sorry everyone, posting from a mobile and the reply button kept disappearing.

"Bo is my boi."

Don't do that again

My.

bolshoi

I was one of those who “attacked” KB. And I stand by everything I’ve said to him. I did it because he was provoking and being an ass. It wasn’t because of politics, I agreed with some of his actual points. I tried polite discussion with him once and ended up regretting it.

“There's a lot of nuance to it that I would have trouble explaining.
bo is certainly one of the veteran users around today, don't get me wrong, but webdip generations are short. It's kinda like graduating classes in schools.”

Don’t mischaracterize things, PE. I was not only here when that “generation” was around but also an active contributor on the forum. Y’all just hated my guts.

@Jeccles - Turn the phone upside down and the button usually reappears.

As for the mute button, harassment is harassment. You can say "mute them" to anyone, whether they're the victim or the instigator or whether it flip flops depending on the situation, but that doesn't actually solve a problem. That just puts it off until the problem presents itself some other time, probably with some other people. It's a bad solution, one that you only want if you don't want a solution that actually solves your problems.

"upside down" holy shit you are adorable rd

@rdrivera2005 my mind is blown. Thank you for that. This should tell you how often I post on the forum...

I had to go unmute some people to actually follow this conversation

KB is what he is There is 2 more on this site I would qualify them as close to his level of "personal attacks" but I didnt know KB was harassing people with PMs and calling the cops? yikes...