And on poverty rates, allmost all European countries do better than the us https://data.oecd.org/inequality/poverty-rate.htm

Even Mexico and Turkey score slightly better!
@James, you validated the OECD, please let me know what you think.

"However, two countries with the same poverty rates may differ in terms of the relative income-level of the poor."

@ Kask

It states that right in the definition of poverty rate in your link. You can't just compare the poverty rates of two countries and say the one with a lower rate has a bigger problem with having poor people because of how "poverty rate" is defined. The opposite could be true. Poverty rates are only good as time series data, not cross sectional.

And on the other topic you mentioned, it's harder to name a place we haven't acted as the world's police. Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East, Europe, South America, Central America, etc. etc.

@ Brainbomb, Ogion, et al

You people nearly leave me speechless with how ridiculous your sincerely held beliefs are. The belief that one race can be racist, while another can not, is just a basic violation of definition. The idea that you can not sanction someone's right to say something, but also disagree with what they are saying, is simply idiotic. What has caused such ill-conceived notions to spring up and latch on in your heads? Is this just what you have been taught since being a child, and you never had the capacity to challenge it? Or did you come up with these conclusions independently and your critical thinking skills are merely questionable to put it mildly? Perhaps some third option? It's absolutely confounding.

Manwe:
Data still suggests that poor in Europe is not as bad as poor in the US. Especially in Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands and many other countries. Poor in NL get a minimum of 1000 Euro a month (net, called "bijstand") plus extras for children. Healthcare is basically free for the poor, as is education (incl university). Definitely better off than in the US.

On policing:
- Korea was not in the last 50 years, and others carried their share too
- Vietnam was self interest (fighting communism, not a UN mandated war)
- The first Gulf War was with other countries carrying their share
- Second Gulf War was pure self interest
- What war in Europe was policing in the last 50 years?
- Interventions in Central and South America (like Grenada, Nicaragua, El Salvador and Panama) were pure self interest, nothing to do with policing

Policing means standing up for the common good, not self interest.
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Also compare GINI coefficients between US and continental European countries

ksako, being poor in Mexico is certainly worse than being poor in US (otherwise we would not have millions of migrants), especially if you live in an earthquake zone....

Regarding that, I feel like the smallest guy in the world, I've not been able to help much, and one of those buildings is 2 kilometers from my house.

If you're interestes, people from Mexico City, and the central states of Puebla and Morelos due to the 19 september, and the southern states of Oaxaca and Chiapas will still need much help (as days pass, the spontaneous help from Mexico and elsewhere will decrease, but the need of help won't do for weeks)

@ksako, you give the US too much credit for the Korean war.

First it wasn't officially a war, which meant the US president didn't have to declare war, and could send troops to Korea without a mandate from congress. So 'technically' it wasn't a war, unfortunately getting that technicality requires security council approval, fortunately the two powers likely to veto such a move were not sitting in the security council at the time.

The Chinese seat was filled by the RoC, not the PRC, because the US among other refused to recognise the Communist people's republic as the legitimate successor state to the Nationalist Republic of China; and the Soviet Union was refusing to take their seat on the security council in opposition to this decision regarding the Chinese seat.

Essentially reducing the legitimacy of the UN security council. Going from being the 'worlds' agreed upon security council, to the Western power's agreed upon security council (with the US, UK and France being the three western powers...)

It was as much about fighting communism as the Vietnam war was. The international circumstances were just a little different.

this conversation as turned on a dime several times over now. Genetics to World police in like 2 posts. amazing

"In Racistboyds state of Kansas"

So I say in plain English that all racism is bad, and this is how BB responds. LOL!!!!!

Then BR whines about how I reply, yet says nothing about all the name calling and insults BB throws around.

The expected hypocrisy from the left.

Man we, it shows that you're reading comprehension is about nil. I haven't said any of those things, but thanks for trying. I could get into some of those topics with you, but it'd probably hurt your brain
(And let's start talking about stupidities like anti-climate science, anti-evolution and voodoo economics, shall we?)


And yes, you can compare the income levels quite easily, as I in fact did. The poverty line in the US corresponds to the severe poverty line in Germany. Generally poverty lines in Europe correspond to 60% of median incomes (roughly) which comes in around the high teens. The US povertylone is way below that at around 30% of median or $12k for an individual. We can get into disposable income adjusted and purchasing power adjusted incomes etc, but large portions of the Us population love on incomes that are almost unimaginable in places like Germany

Doesn't your jerkoff of a president have better things to do than publicly call for people to be fired because they won't salute your imperialist flag?

Pathetic.

Ogion, as a child of a German immigrant, that may have been true 25 years ago, but today the poverty levels in Germany are getting much worse. Example, 1 in 6 children now live in Poverty, and that does not include the recent immigration wave that came in

And as far as what is the 'poverty line" in Germany, in the newspaper article I read, they have it as 893 Euros for a single family home, which is basically in-line with ours after calculating the exchange rate (actually, theirs is a bit lower) However, for a family with 2 adults, I think they double it, but the problem is single family homes are fast becoming the norm there

However, the information is chaotic now, due to the recent immigration, so you really need to backtrack to like 2011 or so, to try to find anything that might be stable information.

Rhinos, in a biological sense (as defined by biologists) you're talking about geographic structure only. Those genetic traits would only qualify as races if multiplied genetic variations all lined up in the same groupings, but if you look at each gene you quickly find that each gene has distinct geographic variations. So for example if you look at some genes, Scots are actually Asians related to the peoples of northern Siberia. If you look at other genes they're close relates to people of western Spain and France. Etc for there to be races in a biological sense you'd neeed far more consistent variation and geographic distinction. What humans display isn't races but at best clines. Humans have moved around a ton and interbred like crazy. Hell we are evenso sure neanderthals were distinct given how much introversion there was there

There are genetic differences among human especially in particular contexts, but overall there is too much continuous and overlapping genetic variation because humans do level represent one contiguous population without distinct boundaries, especially today.. What you look like tells you something about your genetics, except as relates to the set of traits that you can see, but that is quite limited, and other genetic traits will vary in pompletelu different ways

That's what biologists mean when they say humans don't have biological races.

As for the social construct angle, consider the person who is black in one country, mestisse in a second and white in a third one. You can't take claims about races very seriously after observations like that!
http://harvardmagazine.com/2008/05/race-in-a-genetic-world-html

Here is an interesting piece breaking down demes, clines, and races
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

I am saying race doesn't have a biological foundation. It's a social construct that varies from society to society. You may as well divide people by how long their toes are as their skin color. It'd make about as much sense

What people do is take some phenotype and then make wild assumptions about them based on that. Yeah, that's really dumb.

As someone who has lived in Germany and in the south I can tell you grinding poverty is much more common on the Us. Hell, the minimum benefits and social service are pretty much enough to take you over the US poverty line. Stressed, you need to actually read the OECD information.

Helen, the more Trump is distracted by twitter wars the less real damage he can do. Be thankful he picks these fights.

"I am saying race doesn't have a biological foundation. It's a social construct that varies from society to society."

You are incorrect. As I said before, ethnicities can be grouped into races based on their genetic similarities to each other, and their genetic differences from other ethnicities. Without knowing a person's physical appearance, it is possible to determine their race through a genetic test. (In fact, one study found that you could tell someone's race based on the bacteria living in their mouth.) If you would like to read more about it, this blog has a few dozen sources: https://penetrate.blogspot.com/2009/09/biological-differences-between-races.html

On a more practical level, let's examine the behavioral differences between races. There has been a lot of talk in this thread about violent crime rates and poverty of the United States and various other countries. This is largely due to the high nonwhite population. If we compare the crime rates, poverty rates, and obesity rates of white Americans only, they are comparable to those of white Europeans.

Actually, no, I cited the scientific literature, not some white supremacist blog.

As an evolutionary biologist with a grounding in popluation genetics, I'm pretty sure I don't need to do any more reading of some dude's illiterate blog posts.

In fact, you can't tell people's races, because there aren't such genetic entities you can define biologically.

And if we are talking behavior, can we talk about white people's incredibly amoral greed and need to dominate everyone else? That's basically the root of all these problems.

Mods, can you ban Rhino's white supremacist ass now?

I don't think we can further our understanding of such an important issue as race by banning any opinion we don't agree with. That said, I apologize if I offended your sensibilities somehow. I had thought we were discussing the subject in a joint pursuit of the truth.

I looked at that "Penetrate" blog.

Wow. Wish I had not done that.

It's just some angry little white supremacist shouting about getting banned from Reddit for being a massive racist douche. What a massive racist douche.

Who would read shit like that? Who would consider it a good source of information? Oh yeah, that kind of person. Yuh.

I don't think we can further our understanding of such an important issue as race by being massive racist asshats.

If we're just going to call each other names and not say anything else of substance, I think this is the end of our conversation.

You make posts saying that black people are obese criminals, and you think you're saying things "of substance".

Off you trot, racist pig.

I don’t think we can further our understanding of such an important issue as race by labeling anyone who doesn’t agree with you (generic you) as racist even if they say all racism is bad.

brainbomb, I love your posts, there are fucking glorious.

Kas sa oled eestlane?

Thank you, Helen.

https://youtu.be/BGIetWAds6A

Racism as a political technology, used by liberal democracies to suppress minorities.

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