Croissants are good any time of the day. Fuck cultural norms.

Croissant - c'mon. You're overloading this thread. That's a whole new debate if you want to bring in savory breakfast treats. If croissants are in the mix, you have to consider sticky buns, scones, biscuits, and muffins as well - see what I mean?

To be fair, donuts are more of a breakfast food than croissants and they're still part of the debate, if not a very successful part.

Cookies are the best

No one has even mentioned crepes yet (or did I miss that). For those championing the sweet/savory flexibility of pie, crepes can do that too. Plus crepes work well with chocolate, and therefore get a bonus in my book.

True.

Croissants, you must be joking. Those things are more air pockets than actual food and it stands to reason that a chap might well blow out his gaff eating mostly air of dubious nutritional value, like drinking too much champers compared to a hearty glass of Bosun's grog, or a few stiff whiskies.

Now there's been a hint about the traditional English breakfast, which is a meal without equal. Fried lamb chops, sausages, bacon, eggs, tomato, onion, maybe a kipper or two, lashings of toast and at least two pots of tea.
One of my favourite Hitchcock "thriller" murder movies, about a blighter with a tiepin, who strangles his lady victims has an excellent comedic side plot based on food that features a Policeman who loves the traditional English breakfast, and who's wife is doing a "French Cuisine Cooking class" Plenty of opportunities for comedy and disparaging remarks about the French and their generally regarded by the British as diabolical "cuisine".

The wonderfully complex relationship between the British and the French is a joyful playground for an Australian in Paris to exploit.

Bumpity bump

From tasty desserts to meat-heavy breakfasts, this forum topic has gone wildly off course now. Probably from low blood sugar. Please - pick your dessert and eat it so we can get back on track!

But I can't have my cake and eat it too!

This thread triggers me to constantly want some kind of dessert everytime I check the webdip forum.

Generally, I would say pie wins but there are pies that are not winners, strawberry pie for example. I would much rather have an oatmeal scotchie cookie than pecan pie or, God forbid, a mince meat pie. On the subject of donuts, a donut filled with cream or fruit jelly would beat the oatmeal scotchie, especially in the morning. Cake can suck it.

Where do crumbles, crisps, cobblers, and kringle fit into this debate?

They're all pies. As is cheesecake. Pie wins. The end.

You have a loose definition of what "pie" is.

I made the cheesecake point earlier and explained it a bit. Cobbler I think fits closer to pie than anything else, and I'm not as familiar with the others to say anything.

I put kringle in that list mainly due to alliteration, but it is certainly NOT pie.

https://www.kringle.com/

Cobbler is close to pie, but c'mon. You can't claim everything that is round and has a crust. If everything is pie then nothing is pie. You need to have some standards!

Cake, brownies, and cookies don't fit the description of pie.

A kringle is more like a pretzel, but the crusted outer shells of cobblers and cheesecakes makes them pies.

Cheesecake has "cake" in it, so I'd say cake has a pretty good claim on that dessert over pie. Form over substance. Of course on that basis, cake also picks up "pancake" which few would argue is a cake, "beefcake" - ok nice but personally I'm not interested in eating one, and "cake of soap" which helps cake cleanup, but isn't hurts cake in the edible criteria.

Cake is breadlike in nature, with minority filling/frostingy things. Pie is majority filling with minority crust. Cheesecake clearly fits this definition better than cake's. Cobbler/crumble/crisp can arguably be thrown into a separate category due to the lack of crust on the bottom, but they're very similar to pies, and given the confines of the OP, certainly make more sense grouped in than grouped out.

People in Racine will cut you for claiming kringle is like a pretzel.

I fully concede that cheesecake probably belongs in the pie family. I'm just playing the role of dessert fundamentalist for this thread.

I prefer cheesecake as its own category. I don't know why; it just doesn't really seem like anything on here.

Also, fuck Racine.

Well, I agree with that. Fuck Racine. I have friends who live there so I am occasionally forced to go there.

Now, now, I know dessert is one of those hot button issues, right up there with abortion and affirmative action. Everyone remembers the great Trump donut protest of last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bME3hbBBphM. And of course pie has long been used in heated political discourse: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2010/01/31/pie-throwers-serve-long-tradition-political-protest
So I can understand how this discussion gets tempers going. But let's try to keep the f-bombs under control.

Well Nikov you can have your cake and then eat it, the trick is to be able to eat your came and still have it.

Bloody s/w. ..the trick is to eat your cake and then still have it. It's an interesting phrase, the commonly used form is "have your cake and eat it" which is meant to imply an impossibility, but clearly it's possible to have a cake and eat it. The more likely to be"impossible" thing is to eat a cake and then still have it. So I find it curious that people commonly make a statement of the possible to imply an impossibility

Hoorah for Ghug, it's pies are the winner and an Almighty Mod is infallible.