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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
NFL Week 5: Pick 'em--Wherein, Hey, There Are Actually a Lot of Good/Interesting Games!
So we kick off the week tonight with a game which looked like crap at the beginning of the year and now...looks slightly less like crap with the Bills and Browns going at it. Seattle meets Indy, the Niners and Texans square off on Sunday Night, the Raiders and Chargers play a LATER Sunday Night game no one outside California will watch, Pats/Bengals, Lions/Packers, and so on...so, once again, we ask you to...PICK 'EM!
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krellin (80 DX)
02 Oct 13 UTC
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Federal Education Spending
We'll starting cutting the budget here...No more Dept of "Education"

http://www.cato.org/blog/should-americas-ceos-listen-ed-sec-arne-duncan?utm_content=buffer44265&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
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Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
07 Oct 13 UTC
Openings for a learning game
I enjoyed both the School of War and Dojo of War experiences this summer. Doing both at the same time was idiocy on my part, and I still owe an EoG for Dojo. However, the amount of learning was good, and humbling. I am proposing another learning game.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
05 Oct 13 UTC
Best way to make more money out of money?
So there's a bunch of money I'm not planning to spend for at least 2 years. Can I best keep it on a bank account as usual or are there more lucrative options that have about the same risk level as a bank account (practically none, since in this case the government returns the money if the bank goes boom)?
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Yonni (136 D(S))
07 Oct 13 UTC
Advice on building a media server
Figure there must be some expertise on this forum...
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tendmote (100 D(B))
06 Oct 13 UTC
When is it OK to start watching basketball again?
I stopped watching basketball altogether after the LeBron James "Decision" and strike-shortened season turned the NBA into a soap opera telenovela. Is the nonsense over yet? Are people playing basketball again? Like they mean business? Is there a new Bill Laimbeer out there fouling out and taking a bow before a booing crowd?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Oct 13 UTC
Interesting Poll
What would happen if during an election between two candidates for a political office a poll was held, where instead of preference for either candidate, people could "mix" the candidates, assigning percentages to each..? That should yield interesting and data on your electorate distribution..
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semck83 (229 D(B))
07 Oct 13 UTC
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Interview with Antonin Scalia
I thought this was a very interesting interview. I'm sure many here hate the man, but irrespective of that, he's always interesting. So I thought I'd post this for y'all.

http://nymag.com/news/features/antonin-scalia-2013-10/
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
07 Oct 13 UTC
Why is John Kerry a twat?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24424933
"I think it's a credit to the Assad regime, frankly. It's a good beginning and we welcome a good beginning."
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
29 Sep 13 UTC
Anonymous/Blind GR Challenge Tournament
If you post in this thread, you will be automatically disqualified from participating, you must PM me your interest. More info within.
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The Fox (115 D)
06 Oct 13 UTC
1day 50pts WTA
I was looking for a fair paced standard diplomacy game to enter, but there were none, so here it is. Come one come all
gameID=127129
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blankflag (0 DX)
02 Oct 13 UTC
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reputation
i think you can get along fine until you pass a certain threshold of douchebaggery, then you get a reputation, and a flood of stories get brought up in everyday gossip and your cause is lost.

so does anybody have strategies for maximizing douchebaggery without losing reputation? i think the only hope is to conform. if you are a nonconformist, then any small thing will seem big because people will constantly hear of it because you are often talked about.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
21 Sep 13 UTC
Mercilessness
for those responsible

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/21/world/africa/kenya-mall-gunbattle/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Putin33 (111 D)
06 Oct 13 UTC
European migration policy is a disgrace
http://www.dw.de/search-postponed-for-migrant-shipwreck-victims-in-lampedusa/a-17135414
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
06 Oct 13 UTC
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My first triathlon tomorrow
I'm 46. What am I thinking?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
06 Oct 13 UTC
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String theory, God particle, A Capella, Agent Based Modeling and YOU
My wife, who's learning agent based modeling --> which makes my brain hurts<--, found these videos that just made my day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rjbtsX7twc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtItBX1l1VY
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krellin (80 DX)
05 Oct 13 UTC
Gov Shutdown? 83% Disagree...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/wheres-sense-of-crisis-in-a-17-percent-government-shutdown/article/2536862

That's right, 83% of Federal Spending is still flowing. Time to take the 17% that is "non-essential" and give it to the states where it belongs, or let private industry perform the same functions.
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LakersFan (899 D)
06 Oct 13 UTC
17/17 tournament thread
What happened to it? Did I mistakenly mute it or something?
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
12 Sep 13 UTC
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Daily Big Lebowski Reading
For those of us who may not get as much from the Bible, but still like reading something every day.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
04 Oct 13 UTC
Animal Day dilemma
This day makes me wonder: what's better for the animals? Buy biological meat instead of standard meat or donate the money you would otherwise pay extra to an organisation supporting animals? Discuss.
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philcore (317 D(S))
05 Oct 13 UTC
where are the stars?
The threads that I've posted on no longer have stars next to them. Did I miss a discussion about this? Did I even comment on said discussion and just can't find it because the star is gone?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
Place your bets
Who fired the shots at the capital?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Oct 13 UTC
Tell Me This Isn't the Play of the Year
http://nesn.com/2013/10/smus-garrett-gilbert-completes-unbelievable-two-point-conversion-to-force-overtime-video/
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
04 Oct 13 UTC
Stop paying the politicians
Politicians keep paid to do a job. If they stop doing that job why not stop paying them ........ there won't so many tea parties then if they have no money.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
01 Oct 13 UTC
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Who else isn't allowed to work tomorrow?
… or get paid?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Sep 13 UTC
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10 Years Ago...
Give 1 pop culture thing you liked 10 years ago you now like less/dislike, and then 1 pop culture thing you disliked/liked less 10 years ago that you now like.
Give 1 religious/political thought/stance you agreed with 10 years ago that you now disagree with, and 1 religious/political thought/stance you disagreed with that you now agree with.
And to cap it off--1 book that's risen in your estimation over the last 10 years, and 1 that's fallen.
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fulhamish (4134 D)
04 Oct 13 UTC
Isolationism
I don't know all that much about American history (self evident some might say), but I found this piece in the New York Review of Books challanged some of my preconceptions. The piece is a review of a recently published book on the New Deal. I found this section on isolationism as a function of US sectionalism particularly thought provoking -
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Oct 13 UTC
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LET'S GO PITTSBURGH PIRATES!
We have far more important things to worry about--I'll just leave the government shutdown talk for you all...you can probably guess who I back anyway--but for now, let's take a minute and unite in rooting the Pittsburgh Pirates on tonight! After *21 YEARS* of futility, they've FINALLY made it back to the postseason for this Wild Card Playoff against the Reds! The Mets were out of this before the season began...so let's all root for the Buccos (and their long-suffering fans!)
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Oct 13 UTC
Kill Your Neighbor for Bitcoins
THIS IS AWESOME.

http://news.yahoo.com/silk-road-website-dealt-drugs-guns-assassins-bitcoins-190640637--abc-news-topstories.html
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
02 Oct 13 UTC
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RIP Tom Clancy
Legendary.
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Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
How would you know how many people have read the Bible?
krellin (80 DX)
03 Oct 13 UTC
How would you know how many people have read Marx, asswipe. Same fucking argument, your illiterate douchebag.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
"You oppressed conservatives can't simultaneously argue that Marxism has pervaded the social sciences and other academic disciplines while claiming he's "obsolete" and nobody reads him."

1. krellin will attest I'm a filthy liberal, yes?

2. I...never said Marx was "obsolete?" At all? O.o Why is it Hugo OR Marx, Putin? Why is it Marx OR Shakespeare/Dickens/Dante/Milton/Twain/All Literature?
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
Because I've had to read Marx in many different classes in several different subjects, everything from literary theory to economics to to philosophy to sociology to geography to history. If it's this pervasive in all sorts of academic subjects then it's safe to say it's being widely read.
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
I was responding to Invictus, Obi.
Invictus (240 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
I said Das Kapital was an obsolete economics textbook, not that Marx as a writer was obsolete. Can you read?
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
"Why is it Hugo OR Marx, Putin?"

You're the one who brought up that comparison.

It's not just Marx or Hugo. It's Paul Kennedy/Barrington Moore/Max Weber/William T. McNeil/Karl Polanyi/Samuel P. Huntington/Martin Heidegger/Count Clausewitz/ and countless others *or Hugo*. If I'm going to read a bazillion pages, I'm going to make it worth my while.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
Then you really SHOULD read Dickens' "Hard Times."

From the sound of it, you'll be a PERFECT Socialist Mr. Gradgrind.
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
Why would Marx's most comprehensive and most studied text be obsolete but not the entirety of his work? That's like saying General Theory is obsolete but not Keynes. Can you be logical?
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
The next work of fiction I want to read is Watership Down.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
For the same reason Locke's being wrong about their being a just God above doesn't make that little idea of "all men are created equal" any less valid or important...

Or worthy of study.

You deal in absolutes, all or nothing, and not only is that not the way academia works...it's not the way it should work. Absolutism and narrow-minded adherence to dogma is precisely what we DON'T need...

In academia or in real life.

If you want to be a narrow-minded dogmatist, go to Washington.

Or, better yet--don't. Ever.
Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Oct 13 UTC
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@Putin - Please do read Watership Down. It is a truly exceptional work. And if you find it boring or slow, then I suggest you step back and read Brian Jacques' Redwall novels. They are to Watership Down what the Hobbit is to LotR.
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
That phrase isn't from Locke. It's from Hobbes (who attributed human equality to nature). Poor Hobbes, always getting ignored while others get the credit.

What we need is people who deal with reality, not fantasy. People who substantiate their points with evidence, rather than those who rely on cheap grandstanding and demagoguery.
Invictus (240 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
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In the new workers' paradise, there will be no works of fiction! The novel is counterrevolutionary!
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
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"To understand political power right, and derive it from its original, we must consider, what state all men are naturally in, and that is, a state of perfect freedom to order their actions, and dispose of their possessions and persons, as they think fit, within the bounds of the law of nature, without asking leave, or depending upon the will of any other man. A state also of equality, wherein all the power and jurisdiction is reciprocal, no one having more than another; there being nothing more evident, than that creatures of the same species and rank, promiscuously born to all the same advantages of nature, and the use of the same faculties, should also be equal one amongst another without subordination or subjection, unless the lord and master of them all should, by any manifest declaration of his will, set one above another, and confer on him, by an evident and clear appointment, an undoubted right to dominion and sovereignty."

--Locke's "Second Treatise on Government"

Hobbes definitely did speak on the matter as well, but so did Locke, and Locke's undoubtedly who Jefferson had in mind when he penned his version of the phrase.

"What we need is people who deal with reality, not fantasy. People who substantiate their points with evidence, rather than those who rely on cheap grandstanding and demagoguery."

1. You're as much a dogmatist and a demagogue as anyone I've ever "met"

2. Your support for Stalin, Putin and North Korea come across at best as attention-seeking grandstanding and at worst--that is, if you're serious--as the delusions (or, worse, convictions) of a person idealizing some of the worst men and places in recent history...all the while accusing US of dealing with "fantasy" and not "reality."

On that point,

"What we need is people who deal with reality, not fantasy."

If you don't think art and literature can, does and forever will serve as a formative teaching method and the way by which the reality of our culture and society is forged--that is, the way we come to think, act, regard others, regard ourselves, regard the world and universe around us, etc.--then you are, again, dealing in fantasy and not reality.

Good literature is like good philosophy--

Composed of ideas, constructs and visions of our past, present, future, what we should be, could be, can't be and, most importantly, what we are.

Even Plato, in his attack on poetry in "The Republic," acknowledged the power of poetry, even if it was a "deception" and a "fantasy," insofar as compelling poetry might embolden a hero to action or give rise to conceptual thought.

Marx didn't just shrug literature off, either--

Intended for use here or no, his concept of the Ideological Superstructure DOES still matter and DOES apply largely to what kinds of morals, values and ideologies we put in place and teach to others...and one of the chief ways we do that is through storytelling and expression, ie, art, music and literature.

It's not for nothing that Orwell, Huxley and Bradbury (and I know you hate the former, but contain yourself) have the works of Shakespeare, Chaucer, Milton and other great writers destroyed, altered or banned in their dystopian visions of the future...

And there's a reason that in "1984" the Party wants to replace English with Newspeak and eliminate all words relating to discontent, rebellion, and other such thoughts--

Those thoughts MATTER, and the authors who can best convey those thoughts and disseminate them to the people matter as well.

And, yes--they matter more than the average historians of the world, which says more about the power of literature than it does about the nature of a historian's work.

Live in your fantasy where North Korea is the happiest place on Earth, Putin's not discriminating against the gays, and literature doesn't matter.

In fact, by all means, become an average economist or historian.

But you'll forgive me for saying that you'll be "dead and turned to clay" and I'll be a "quintessence of dust" in a few decade's time...

And Shakespeare will still be one of the most powerful and listened to voices in the English language, a voice that sways millions of people and infiltrates the very language that you and I speak.

And men will still be inspired by Donne's assertion that "No man is an island" as "Each man's death diminishes me,/For I am involved in mankind."

Or, to take a writer you seem to actually like, we can be sure that, long after a thousand historians, economists and failed revolutionaries have come and gone, Shaw and his assertion that "The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; that's the essence of inhumanity" will still resonate with people, and compel them away from the sort of cold, cruel indifference which so becomes you...

That's the reality of what good literature can do.
nudge (284 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
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Was it Ronald Reagan who said:

"a communist is someone who reads Marx and Engels; an anti-communist is someone who understands Marx and Engels."
invictus has read das kapital? that is a real surprise!

@ nudge - whether it was or wasn't, reagan was still a bad person, and an idiot; and your quote is also awful.
blankflag (0 DX)
03 Oct 13 UTC
“What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.”
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
Go Obi!
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
*Notes irony of people shouting "Go Obi" and Obi as usual resorting to invoking North Korea & Stalin and caricaturizing my views while claiming I'm grandstanding.

Perhaps you should look up what the word means. You should also stop repeating what others have said about my own views because you clearly don't have a clue as to what they are. Perhaps you should also address the damn points and stop resorting to these cheap attacks.

But really, that's all you have to go on at the end of the day. Shouting NORTH KOREA 500 times because you have failed miserably to defend the 'greatness' of fiction, even your cheer section in the grandstands has been disappointed.

bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Oct 13 UTC
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Why defend literature? If you don't want to read it, fine; that doesn't make it unworthy of your much-needed praise, oh Great One.
Invictus (240 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
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I like how you're try to make this look like an unfair attack on you, Putin33, when in fact we're just showing how ridiculous your belief is that ALL fiction writing is bad. You call it a caricature now, but you wrote "those who can't write, write fiction" and said a below-average history of a rural Missouri county would be better than Huck Finn.

The fact is you're just an pompous idiot with views that are so absurd they don't deserve to be respected. Damning the entirety of fiction writing is not a legitimate viewpoint, sorry.
fulhamish (4134 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
I vote for Homage to Catalonia, is that allowed?
Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
"You call it a caricature now, but you wrote "those who can't write, write fiction" and said a below-average history of a rural Missouri county would be better than Huck Finn."

That's not what he and you have been making into a caricature in order to deflect from addressing the actual issue and you know it. Learn to read before calling someone an idiot.





Putin33 (111 D)
03 Oct 13 UTC
"I vote for Homage to Catalonia, is that allowed?"

No.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 Oct 13 UTC
"*Notes irony of people shouting "Go Obi" and Obi as usual resorting to invoking North Korea & Stalin and caricaturizing my views while claiming I'm grandstanding."

Oh, I'm sorry, please, my mistake--

DO go ahead and justify your adoration of first a man who managed to kill more people than Hitler (gotta admit, that's pretty damn impressive) AND a state which has overseen the death of millions and the rise of an Orwellian state (of course, you don't like literature and don't like Orwell, so I guess that term doesn't mean that much to you, but as much as your high-and-mighty mind can fathom, at least TRY to understand just about every other thinker and citizen in the Western world AND refugees from North Korea find the idea of an Orwellian state horrifying...I understand you like to hold yourself up as pretentious, and hey, so do I...but you've gotta actually back that pretension up, Putin, and so far you've shrugged off masters of literature and endorsed some of the biggest mass murderers in history, so you'll forgive us for not being impressed that you've read Marx when you demonstrate such an excruciatingly limited understanding of just about anything and anyone else.)

Please. Do.

You say I'm making a caricature your position? Go right ahead. Defend it. Set us straight.

Because, well, otherwise, you just kinda come off like a smug, insecure, and pompous fuck who likes to back mass murderers but can't say boo to actually justify those who have been largely condemned as unjustifiable.
"Because, well, otherwise, you just kinda come off like a smug, insecure, and pompous fuck"

I guess it takes one to know one
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 Oct 13 UTC
"But really, that's all you have to go on at the end of the day. Shouting NORTH KOREA 500 times because you have failed miserably to defend the 'greatness' of fiction, even your cheer section in the grandstands has been disappointed."

1. Ah, I didn't shout "North Korea 500 times," I mentioned it a couple in this thread...NOW who's grasping at straws and making a caricature of someone's argument?

2. Well...given that the only person so far I've been unable to persuade in this debate is YOU, Putin, and I've gotten more +1s on one post than you have this whole absurd thread...gotta say...I don't think I've "failed miserably" in defending literature...which doesn't need defending from pretentious peons such as yourself, anyway.

Now, I know literature's not your strong suit, but how about psychology?

Because it seems to me you're projecting a whole lot of that sense of "miserable failure" sensation you must be having right now onto those of us who take the seemingly-reasonable stance that, taste issues aside, hey, all literature isn't shit and it serves a purpose...

Which is something everyone from Marx to Lenin to Stalin himself recognized--

So really, when even your heroes recognize the importance of literature...and they're seemingly the only people you give credence to...

What leg do you have to stand on, really?

(P.S.--Your favorite President? Jimmy Carter? Yeah, he wrote a children's book, too...granted that doesn't change the fact he was an awesome guy but a bad President, but still...yet another hero of yours who thinks literature in some form or another was actually worth something...just saying. Nobody sides with you. None. So...tell me, how have you won, again? Oh, right, you are the final master and judge of everything because...um...you read Marx. And you're really, really, REALLY proud of yourself for having done so. OK. Gotcha.)
Putin33 (111 D)
04 Oct 13 UTC
I'm not going to debate someone who recites Hitlerite propaganda and smears the Red Army as genocidaires more evil than the Nazis. Such a person, who claims to not view the world in absolutes (what a fucking joke) is nothing but human scum and a mouthpiece for fascist lies. The fact you say this shit while prattling on about "Orwellian states", is a big fucking joke. You're also a blind apologist for Israel, which is an "Orwellian state" for the Palestinians and causes you no moral qualms whatsoever. You're a cheerleader for every bomb dropped by the United States but you think you have credibility on the issue of human rights. The fact that I don't buy every lie said about the enemy du jour that the US wants to bomb does not make me in love with North Korea or Orwellian. It makes me honest, someone who values historical accuracy, and an opponent of pointless conflicts. It makes you a dishonest prick who has never met a US-provoked conflict based on lies that you didn't like. Nor have you ever given one whit about historical accuracy so long as you can sleep at night thinking American GIs are always right and the Communists are always wrong.


obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 Oct 13 UTC
"I guess it takes one to know one"

Damn straight, SC! ;)

But at least *I* don't say an entire area of human experience is crap just because it's not my thing...

Hell, I think the Bible has IMMENSE value--I still think it's untrue and really, really awful in a lot of places and it's by no means the only book you should ever, ever, EVER base your morality on...

But I'd never say someone studying Religious Studies was wasting their life.

Hell, even if someone wants to go to Divinity School and become a priest/pastor...OK.

I think they're preaching untrue stories and utter nonsense in cases, and sadly many such figures are hateful and intolerant in this country, but still, others do good work and genuinely do try and see the best in people and their Book and want to help people...

So if that's what the outcome of their going to Divinity School will be, fine. Go.

So, I'm smug, pompous, pretentious, and a prick...

But unlike Putin, I'm NOT a dogmatic, single-minded, insulting fuck...one who argues some of the most influential and masterful writers in history are less useful than a below-average map of Los Angeles.

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