##@TrPrado
Captainmeme may or may not know why he voted like he did yesterday. Ask captainmeme.

##@Lucland
if you have trouble reading GM posts in this thread that should have been brought up before you started playing. If you have questions about how the game is being run it is probably best to PM a GM.

See what does deathlama mean when he says this about ND?

"ND is making the same long posts but I don't see as much direct pressure and he's online less, IDK if it's just a change in style but the Balki wagon doesn't hurt.

Yoyo-Espi is a possibility, but his absence has to be taken for stomach flu."

@Lucland: I don’t know where to start. I mean your reads are very hard for me to understand.

“Overall, I’m suspicious of the experienced ones more than the others”

-Why?-

“I’m an INFP with a high feeling rating.”

-What does this mean?”

I could quote you a bit more, but your reads are very hard for me to understand. Is there any way you can condense this or re-format the writing because it is just hard for me to understand what your points are and what you are trying to say?

“Experienced people speak up. Who is it?”

-What?-

I think it means that he thought ND wasn't trying as hard as he expected from him.

Okay, so, meme, do you know why slacker voted the way he did yesterday?

@Lucland: What do feelings have to do in an evidence gathering game?

There goes my only town read. Shit. I was so sure I would die...

@ Valis, thanks, will do!
@ND - INFP (Introverted, iNtuitive, Feeling, Perceiver) see what happens when you don't know all the jargon, it's like, 'huh?' (tunneling, busing, what?) AND, each of you have a completely different perspective on what these terms even mean. I am suspicious of you experienced folks. WHY? because you created the rules, but that's the WHOLE problem with this game. Uniformed Majority vs. Informed Minority. All, I know is I'm a town. You know people, and have played with them before? let us have the reads. Don't back down. tell it. So, I'm asking the experienced folks to spill the beans on the other experienced folks. You do it in bits and pieces, but it's not clear. Deathlama WAS doing it before he got killed. For me, I'm having a really hard time interpreting what your history means, it feels like code and it's very hard to get a read on it. Y'all say my reads aren't good, well, hey, the sword cuts both ways. Please start with guak, ND and Bo. the balki lynch posse.

@captainmeme have you been reading the thread? what are your thoughts?

And I'm sticking with my vote.

##VOTE TrPrado
Why? Same reasons as before.

I see bo has voted for me and actually written up a case. I'll respond to that a bit later during D2. Busy RL for me early part of this weekend.

@Lucland: the reality is that Balki screwed up and he died because of his screwup. I think there are two facts that are way more suspicious. The first is that there was a bunch of people online like phil at end of day that refused to switch votes in the last minute or two to ensure a lynch, and left the town open to a tie vote. The second is that Saladin Smith actually tried to tie the vote and only barely failed. DL, who we now 100% know was town (I was pretty damn sure he was town before that too because of his townslip), tried to ensure the lynch even against his wishes because that was the townie thing to do. So, those who were around at the deadline like phil and TrPrado who refused to switch votes are looking superscummy right now. The reality is that townies needed to ensure a lynch even if it was the wrong one, because a no lynch is worse than a wrong lynch.

I will be rereading phil and making a case. I will give Tr the benefit of doubt for now since I am alive. Hopefully cop got an interesting scan in.

@Lucland: You want me to tell you a basic meta summary of each experienced player in this game that I have played with? Correct?

I'm still waiting on Phil to start answering my questions/semi-case on him from page 32

"So, those who were around at the deadline like phil and TrPrado who refused to switch votes" And Jeff. Also, I didn't want the BB lynch, and the one I thought was better would have gotten a tie if I tried to switch for it.

@guak: Ok, I'm going back to look at the data around the balki switch. And also researching why y'all claimed to make the votes you did.

Why did you vote for him guak?

@ND I don't see how it could hurt. If I'm being lead into using it to make accusations in the beginning (guak) and then it's insisted I back that accusation with evidence. Put it all out on the table. You guys have been dropping these "meta" nuggets for THIRTY+ pages, and as I said it's very hard to get a read on it. I'm sure it must be for you too. That's part of what's mucking this all up, you see. You have FEELINGS about these people based on past experiences. I have feelings about them too, based on a mixture of your shadowed experiences and how you interact with each other.

@TrPrado: My page 32 post proves we got valuable information out of what happened on D1. A tie would have given us no information. I encourage you to go to Page 1 and click on the MX link. read through and see what happened when the mafia tied the D1 lynch in MX.. the town and mafia lost and the neutral independent scum won. Ties are not good for the town.

@Lucland: I look and review the evidence at hand.

ND: Yeah, that's why I didn't vote for Espi in the end.

ND & TrPrado: okay, here's an example that I don't get And this was a smoking gun for both of you? What does townread even mean? How is this not "alignment indicative"? says who?

Balki: “I've worked hard to earn townreads from others, which I think is good for town (not alignment indicative, I know, you don't have to tell me).” (Pg. 23)

@Lucland: feelings led me to vote Balki. I turned out to be wrong. Logic led me to townread DL. I turned out to be right. I think choosing logic over feelings is wise.

Also, I already said why I voted Balki. I had suspected he was a mafia partner of TrPrado because of how they had interacted with each other, and then the scumslip he made was very damning. It was obviously a noobish mistake now that we know BB was town, but at the time it did not seem like it. Also, Balki failed to defend himself properly and he could had averted his fate quite easily by fakeclaiming or pushing a different wagon. I am certain that if he had pushed for TrPrado that wagon could had gained some momentum, but the fact that he kept defaulting to Espi without adding anything new was not satisfactory. Also, ge could had fakeclaimed cop. And given that fakeclaiming was optimal strategy for D1 when there was only one possible scan out there, it would had been awesome. Now that there are likely two scans out, fakeclaiming as town becomes a more complicated matter and is probably not advisable.

@Tr: you are right Jeff is included there too and I will look at him too. I am sure there were others around but I haven't really reread the EOD yet since I expected to die. I just want to note once more that DL did not want the BB lynch either but he recognized that switching was what a townie needed to do to ensure the lynch.

And you say I'm obsessed with you, guak. Sheesh.

You are, you have made several comments about me that are out of place. I only comment about you when it is necessary for the analysis I am making.

townread is when someone reads someone as town in their reads list. It means they think you are a town member and not mafia.

The goal should be to scumhunt using the evidence not sit around and write stuff up so other people give you a 'townread'.

Does that make sense?

And you say I'm reactive, guak. Sheesh.

Phil, I’m reviewing your case against Epsi on page 12. Is it open or closed?

How am I being reactive? I have not changed my behavior because people have called me out on how I am behaving. It seems to me that you are just trying to shrug off my accusations against you.

Case in point.

@guak ... why were you so sure you were gonna die?

Also, guak, didn't you promise to reread Espi now that you think he's more suspicious?