Again, I apologize for straying outside the bounds of conversation as indicated in the original post. I did not realize that the conventions of forum posting here prohibited expanding conversations beyond that.

That said, these security protocols will almost certainly be totally ineffective, and as I said earlier and pretty clearly motivated by a desire to appeal to a segment of the population that is disproportionately frightened and are being manipulated to hate and fear muslims. I realize none of that appears in your original post, so if this falls outside the bounds of what we are permitted to discuss, please excuse me. In my defence you did yourself assert that what is in the public welfare is germane to this discussion.

Leon I didn't know you were a holocaust denier. Makes sense for a nazi I guess

There is no such rule Occam and these fuckers are the last to stick to that "convention". In fact, they derail every single thread into their crazy nazi cultist maga shit

No, I actually am just against extremism. I'm all for real conservatism, Donald Trump is far from that.

@leon

I didn't say you couldn't discuss it, I said that it is not part of what ND said. Which means that when you do discuss it, you are just yelling at nobody.

Your name certainly fits your personality DO, you shouldn't change it.

DO - Thanks but I was in fact being kinda sarcastic. I realize how that got lost though.
I'm kinda done with this argument in fact. I feel like I've kinda said all I can. I've made the point I set out to. I don't think it got through to ND (much to my amazement), but maybe someone has heard what I was trying to say? One can only hope, I guess.

So leon, do you really believe that people are that wrapped up in "who killed who in the middle ages" that they would even care about that in 2017? You've got to be crazy. Being an American is about not having a "default" or a standard. By making a travel ban because the Fearful Christians don't want a Muslim family moving in next to them, Trump has communicated to the world that America is not free and America is not for everyone.

It's beyond me why they allow abusive forum posters like DO to continue spewing their vile attacks on this website which drive good folks away. It's sick actually. Really, really, really vile and sick.

Talk about what you want Occam. I'll debate you on whatever you want and dismantle all of your 'points'.

America is for everyone so long as you can lawfully pass and legally obtain citizenship. The days of out of control illegal immigration are over Codyz

Hahaha, yeah I've done a lot of harm for this website by **actually** helping players out in y'know, diplomacy. How dare they let me post. I'm totally driving good folks away instead of maybe, y'know, training them. Sick sick sick, vile vile vile, evil evil evil. Burn the witch, maybe?

HAHAH ND dismantling someone's arguments. what a joke

"I'll debate you on whatever you want and dismantle all of your 'points'." I'm still waiting for you to understand, let alone dismantle even one. I'm not holding by breath though, so no rush.

If you're the "good folk" I'm driving away then I consider that success. I'm happy to drive away Nazis

It's also a problem of the people in this country. If Donald Trump is racist, sexist, bigoted, and fearful of others based on their race or background, this tells the closeted racists, sexists, bigots, and fearful citizens that it's ok to be like that. Hell, it tells them that they are doing the world a favor by being like that. The parallels to Nazi Germany are everywhere, you are a modern day Nazi, maybe not a neo-nazi, but history will look back on you in the same category.

We write history.

And you're okay with history not being fully true then?

Oh also as it happens this version of the ban doesn't apply to refugees. So there's that.

"America is for everyone so long as you can lawfully pass and legally obtain citizenship." - Everyone who is allowed by the legal system is allowed! Yay! On a related note the tautology club consists of the members of the tautology club!

Truth is relative. What you think is true, I think is false. And what I think is true, you think is false.

You are an abusive form poster do and I will continue to report your abusive actions. No one here is a Nazi actually debate people instead of spewing your vile sjw lies and racism.

I am glad to see the Supreme Court upheld this quite reasonable measure... Again...

I hope that a thorough and strong vetting process is implemented quickly though. I do distinctly remember being told that we'd get that this calendar year... time's running out.

"Truth is relative."
You do know that whole concept is comes from post-modern thought as is what lead to the modern social justice movement. Its one of those ideas that typically get lumped into cultural marxism. Fun fact

If I had a bitcoin for every time I saw a pretentious liberal talk about the "right side of history" life would be so easy.
Someone get on that.

Truth is most certainly not relative. The word truth is defined as the body of real things, events, and facts. There is no second reality. You are simply in denial.

You don't debate people ND, so I've chosen to engage with you in a way I think is most appropriate and on a level you might be able to understand. You probably don't understand, but I can't dumb it down anymore for you. Report me all you want, the mod team thinks you're a fucking lunatic anyway.

Yes, I do. In fact I don't actually believe it, but I think it is the only logical conclusion from a atheist prospective.

K

So uh. You don't believe that atheists are capable of believing in an objective truth? Is that what you're saying uber?

Truth is most certainly relative. In fact, there are no facts. ;)

How can you say that one thing is more moral then another? Please enlighten me.