Which is also dumb because wasn't Robin Arryn fully on board with Littlefinger and that was the only reason the Vale allied with Jon?

I am going to be so excited when Arya dies

This ship has sailed.

George RR Martin is a completely shit, almost unreadable writer. Good at plotting though v0v

It hasn't been good since the fourth season, when the show started leaving the book material.

https://m.imgur.com/WmPQKrM

I wonder if the director of photography was inspired by anything in particular with that last scene.

Where the hell WAS robin during all this? Shouldn't he have been at Winterfell with all the other lords to cry over "Uncle Peter?" And I thought all the ravens were supposed to be white now since it was winter. I demand internal consistency, dammit!

Have to agree with you brainbomb - it's been a bit weak this year. The shock and visceral aspect is greatly diminished. They used to kill off people you didn't want to die. Now they are just killing ones you want or expect to die and it's becoming predictable.
Still some good stuff going on, but definitely lazier plotting and writing.
Episode 7 did go back to a slower pace, but the tension seemed a bit artificial.

The scene with sam and bran was probably the worst dialogue ive ever seen. I seriously thought George Lucas wrote that.

Bran: Make sure you tell people Jon is a sand.

Sam: AAAAAACTUALLLY the mariage was annulled, and I know this from when I ignored gilly when she told me about it. I was passively listening back then but didnt wanna let ppl know.

Bran: i can use my powers to see secret weddings

Sam: Why not use it to see the wedding 'night'

Bran: because im the three eyed raven and my super power is seeing every hole in the plot and filling it.

https://youtu.be/CbcdKZHlexo

Really... this makes me think Jon is definetely gonna make an heir but die. Everyone cant wait to tell jon about his parentage. He wiuld still be 2nd in line anyway.

Wait. Who would be ahead of Jon in the Targ line of succession?

I guess he has a stronger claim if you care about which succession line to recognize.

Grandson of the mad king
Or last living child of the mad king

Considering the realms fucked. There is no rational order. Every ruling house and secondary house is decimated other than the Starks I cant see why the plot would serve a Jon on the Iron throne ending. Seems totally ridiculous since hes basically fulfilled every George RR Martin rule for -next to get murked-

-he was successful
-gonna be king now
-banging the queen
-chose danaerys in front of cersei
-tensions with sansa
-keeps sending himself on high risk missions as if hes an expendable soldier
-told mel not to raise him again
-he has a purpose, its to die but make an heir
-he isnt the one who kills night king most likely either

Yea... hes biting the dust

I was under the impression that Westeros operated under standard primogeniture rules, which would place Dany behind Jon. Of course if Dany is claiming the throne by conquest, those rules do not mean as much.

Yeah. Jon is definitely ahead of Dany if this follows the line of succession that we are used to.

I wanted him to die in episode 6 because it would've been amazing to kill him off literally the episode after the audience finds out he's the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

While I agree that this season has been subpar compared to the other seasons, I also don't agree that killing off characters unexpectedly makes a show better.

Shocking deaths is often a crutch to hide issues with episodes. That's what made The Walking Dead such a big hit even though it is often a poorly written/acted show. I don't agree that this season would have been better if main characters had been killed off - the issues were with pacing, characters behaving in ways to advance the plot without being true to their character etc.

Killing off main cast would have just masked that since we would have other things to talk about.

The entire Winterfell plot was shite whether or not anyone died.

The series went from "no one is safe" and added the addendum "unless this character is popular like Jaime, Brienne, Jon, Arya, Daenerys..."

Arya's character is stagnant. At the Crossroads, choosing between Winterfell and King's Landing should've been a learning point to develop her character. Either abandon the list and stop being a fucking creep at Winterfell, or leave her family behind to go to King's Landing.

I agree with you. But killing off a main character doesn't fix any plot points. It just refocuses the audiences attention so that they don't notice it. Its a crutch.

I don't really see how a few popular characters not dying for a change in some way makes them invulnerable.

In terms of who's next in line to the throne, Jon's claim looks pretty weak to me. A dying woman's last words said to a dead guy who didn't tell anyone, and overheard by a magical cripple from the future who just happens to be related to the candidate... I don't think I'd find that particularly convincing.

What about the High Septon's personal diary, who recorded the marriage between the two of them? And Howland Reed, who was present there?

Howland Reed is the most important character that nobodys ever seen. Makes me think we never will in the show other than that flashback

Also, TrPrado, GoT doesn't kill people off for no reason. Ned's death was a catalyst for future events. The Red Wedding was a catalyst for future events. Oberyn's death was a catalyst, etc etc. But the second we got past the book material, they stopped being that. They were just....deaths. Stannis' death meant nothing. Barriston's death meant nothing. Ditto for Littlefinger, Rickon, sand sneks etc. The only ones they've actually gotten right are the sept in Season 6 and probably Thoros this year. Both of those deaths have wider implications. The problem isn't so much people not dying, but stupid writing putting them in situations where realistically they should die.

Also, no ravens don't turn white in the winter. A white Raven is sent from Oldtown to each castle to tell the lords that winter is here. Yes, Jon's claim to the throne supercedes Dany's by the laws of Westeros. Any man comes before a woman. They fought a civil war to establish that precedent (Dance of Dragons). And just as it is in the book, no one really gives much a shit about what Robin Arryn thinks. The lords there were ready to depose him no matter what, which is why Littlefinger had to befriend the cadet branch of House Royce to beef up his support.

Also what annoys me is that Bran should only be able to see via weirwood.net. If there's no tree, he cannot see

Oberyns death was critical.
Without his death we wouldnt have important characters like Obara, Nym and the tactical brilliance of Ellaria.

Lets avenge the death of the Martell prince by murdering the entire martell bloodline.

Im gonna have to disagree here Goldy, Oberyns death actually just made the showrunners waste about 4 episodes on developing a bunch of cartoon character mean girls who had horrible acting and totally idiotic personal motivations.

Id be okay cutting the entire Dornish plot from Season 5,6 and 7 and have Marcylla die from ebola or something

goldy:

People used to die when it made logical sense in the plot for their characters to die. They set Tormund up for death when he was pulled to the ground by wights. They set Jon up for death when he stayed behind.

Littlefinger shouldn't have been in Winterfell as long as he was. As long as he had decent influence in the Vale, and the North needed an alliance with the Vale, his position was safe. With something as vastly important as the fate of all Westeros happening in the south, there's no way he stays with Sansa.

Oberyn's death set up Tywin's death and Tyrion's exile. It set up the death of Myrcella. And Cersei having an undead giant at her command. It was certainly very important for plot purposes. And in the books, Dorne is much more multidimensional and actually exciting. It's Doran Martell that's hell-bent on revenge. More than anyone else. Not the books fault that the show butchered the while plotline.

And @TrPrado - I'm not disagreeing with you. Last sentence of my first paragraph "The problem isn't so much people not dying, but stupid writing putting them in situations where realistically they should die." And I agree. Book Littlefinger would've been plotting on something more substantial than "I'm gonna drive a wedge between siblings here"

They could've skipped that sibling drama all together and had him try more forcefully to get Sansa to seize power from Jon. They left that opening there, but then diverted to stupid Arya subplot.