Hehe, I love it.

Maybe a third option is living with Thucy.

Settle it? How would a poll of the fuckheads on this site settle anything?

I think thucy's feathers have been ruffled. Should We should lighten up on him.Nah.

My feathers are fine, I'm not on death row yet

Yet? Are you insinuating, that you will be doing something to get there? Should those jurors be worried?

When discussing the righteousness of a law, I'd truly appreciate it if people don't use the existence of that law as an argument for its righteousness..

That logic is fucked up on so many levels.

Steephie, it's not about the righteousness of the law, it's the fact that's it's a law. Not the same. Laws can be changed, but not by arguing about their merit here.

Get petitions, signatures, talk with congressman, try to make change.

But while the law is what it is, you must live by it.

Aaaannd ssorenn is either being a huge troll or a huge idiot now. Nice plot twist.

Perhaps it's time to let them be Thucy, nothing to learn here, nothing to teach here.

(We cross-posted, my reply is to your previous one ssorenn.)

And steephie is still a young naive moron.

Mine applies to both of your posts steephie

There's nothing wrong with discussion ssorenn. You probably don't, but I, probably y2 and a bunch of others actually have discussions to learn something about the subject, find new perspectives, arguments or sentiments, stuff like that.

It's part of a process to make sure you're not an uninformed idiot if you ever decide to lobby for something or whatever. In general, it is to educate oneself.

Of course, that doesn't work if the ones you're having a discussion with resort to "you're free to leave" every 5 posts.

I completely agree with you steephie.

If you, me and anyone else wants to discuss things...why is ssorrenn coming to tell us to move on?

Ssorrenn you can easily move on as well. Let the people here who want to discuss just discuss.

But hey, at least you're an old sceptical know-it-all, right?

Obviously to ssorenn.

That fact that either of you think I'm talking about here is funny.

I don't think you do. I think you didn't leave much to guess there so not sure what you're on abour now.

@fiedler

No, as an American I'm very upset by the power the military has. I'm not some hypocrite who likes to talk to make myself sounds like a good person. I'm anti-war as much, if not more, than I am anti-death penalty.

So, you're trying to call me and Steephie out for being hypocrites, yet neither of us are guilty of the charge (pro-military) that you're saying we are?

That's actually kind of funny.

@Ssorenn

While I disagree that the Bible is "bullshit," I agree that that shouldn't be used as rationale for law, and I haven't used it as that except in response to people who try to say the Bible condones this. My points are not in any way based on that, and I agree that it shouldn't.

I think that my point that Europe is a place where the death penalty is mostly illegal is a good one to refute your logic that anti-death penalty people are Christians. I mean, it doesn't take a genius to say that Europe is hardly a theocracy.

(And I seem to remember my first experience with you was a homophobic rant. So you're not homophobic because of religious beliefs, instead you're homophobic because you're an asshole? Not surprised.)


Also, I am not trying to find empathy for Tsarnaev, I'm just opposing the death penalty.

@James

As Thucy says, a poll of people on here can't settle anything. Public opinion of a very small sample doesn't decide what's right or wrong. Logic settles that, and I think my position is the most logical. Your position is the one that resorts to bashing me for my religious beliefs, even though I say my opinions are fully based in secular reason. Conservatives try to paint me as a wack-job liberal, liberals try to paint me as a wack-job conservative. That's actually quite amusing, especially because I'm neither.

I guess I'll participate in the poll, even though I'm against it: I'd rather life imprisonment than the death penalty.

Life in solitary:
5 (me, Steephie, Thucy, wjessop, JECE)
Death by execution:
3 (you, ssorenn, krellin)

I probably missed some, and only me and you have officially took the poll. Also, does Krellin count in things like this? Not sure if Ssorenn does either.

@steephie

"I'd truly appreciate it if people don't use the existence of that law as an argument for its righteousness."

Didn't you read the Conservatism 101 pamphlet? That's how things work here!

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@EVERYONE

To regurgitate my opinions, I oppose the death penalty because 1) sometimes the legal system makes mistakes, and human life is NOT a thing to risk, ever, 2) I don't want the government (or a jury that makes decisions based on government laws and punishments) having the authority to kill people, no matter the justification, be it execution or an un-just war. I don't trust them nearly enough for that.

To me, the death penalty doesn't discourage from crimes, because the people who commit these types of heinous crimes don't give a damn about that. And it *definitely* doesn't do anything to make the wrongs committed by shitbags like Tsarnaev any less wrong.


Anyone, PLEASE answer me this: what makes the death penalty better for society?

It appeases American society, at least a large portion of it

@Lietard, nobody gives a rats ass what you think. Hehe. Ever

LeinadT: I oppose the death penalty because 1) sometimes the legal system makes mistakes, and human life is NOT a thing to risk, ever

Sometimes = 1/25 cases. Just so we're all on the same page. I am not entering into this debate, just giving it some data.

From the article by Gross et al.: "We use survival analysis to model this effect, and estimate that if all death-sentenced defendants remained under sentence of death indefinitely, at least 4.1% would be exonerated."

http://www.pnas.org/content/111/20/7230.short

"It appeases American society, at least a large portion of it."

That is some dark shit right there. Feeding people to the lions in tbe Coliseum appeased the crowds too.

Do play nicely, children. Could we not at least pretend we want something vaguely resembling a reasoned debate? I know you're all having fun and all, but it's getting a little bit silly.

Our beautiful, more moderated forum in fine form today.

"I reckon somebody's going to have to off the jury and the executioner then. The cycle continues.... "

False equivalency your typical jam

"My position on the matter is adequately published here (all killing is wrong including execution), such that your inability to see that fairly obvious nuance makes you look like a nine year old. "

Unless its calling for full scale US intervention in syria and calling John Brown the only moral man of his time. You are such a hypocrite

Yep, appeasement of the people is often a common ploy to gain more governmental power. Appeasing fears of the influence of communists and the Jewish got the Nazi Party democratically elected.

It's not right, but demagoguery works, unless people who prefer reason over emotion put a stop to it.

@OB_Gyn_Kenobi

I think that not executing 24 people, instead giving them life sentences, is worth it if it means saving 4 percent.

I mean, wow, 1 out of 25 is a lot, actually. Could you imagine if 1 out of your 25 closest friends or family suddenly died? You wouldn't say "well, at least 24 didn't die!" you'd mourn the 1 you lost.

Likewise, as much as those 95.9% may "deserve" to die (and as I've said before, that's a moral issue that I don't think the government should decide), giving them life in prison (which is NOT letting them walk free, as James erroneously said) in order to avoid falsely killing (i.e. murdering) that 4.1%.

@ssorenn

Mostly they don't, although I suspect they care even less what you say. I'm fully aware of the futility of debating things on the internet, and I have decided to do it anyway.

Also, I'll take you ignoring my question and any arguments related to the discussion at hand and instead deciding to play the "nobody cares lol" card as you conceding defeat.

##VOTE Life in Solitary

Lientard. Whatever it is that you want. Your sphincter opens and shit spews. Again to be more clear, I don't care