You cannot even condemn the killing of 19 children yet you want to prattle on like you're some kind of champion of human rights.

Are Palestinians sub-human, Krellin? Yes or no.

""indicate you believe Israels should be treated as humans with rights.."

Already said that, liar.

You lie constantly. When will you stop? "


No you didn't Putin....come on....just try it....type the words: ISraeli's have the **HUMAN** rights every other human has to live without being terrorized and murdered in their homes. Try it. You did NOT use the specific word you so carefully avoid...You quoted me, you avoided repeating a specific word. So....come on, little boy....try it. Just try it. Tell us you believe Israeli's are HUMAN....let's see if you can.

"Who else has snipers, genius?"

LOLOLOL

DUDE. DUDE. You high? ONLY Israel has snipers?

Also Putin, if there are missiles being houses in your home, DURING AN ONGOING WAR TO GET RID OF THE MISSILES, and you... are IN THE HOME, gee, I think maybe You fucking know you're going to be in trouble.

The children were kept there so fools like you would go "WOE IS THE PALESTINIAN"

No, Putin , Palestinian are not sub-human, as you view Israeli's. Palestinians are equal to Israelis. they deserve equal rights...to find a land to call their own without murdering an entire group of people to do so, as they claim is their right. They are human....but they tend to act sub-human in that they believe Israel does not have a right to exist.

As for your 19 children killed in a home - as was pointed out, if it housed weapons, then no, I do nto condemn it. ESPECIALLY since Israel gave ample warning for people to get the hell out. So no, the blame for those children dying rests *entirely* on the Palestinians.

So Hamas snipers shot the man on the phone and then shot him after he was injured. Ok.

But you're not high. You're just a fucking tribalist sociopath.

If I tell you a truck is comign down the road with no brakes, and you need to get out of the road, but you refuse and get hit by the truck....it is *entirely* you fault that you were killed by the truck. Period. End of story.

Evil Putin won't say Israelis are human. Very enlgihtening.

@Putin: It's very possible Israel shot the guy. But you argued that ONLY Israel has snipers, which is not only untrue it's fucking stupid.

there's a lot of clear misinformation in this thread and really one sided views not really informed by anything other than what people feel are the facts. Can't really address atm because I'm at work but if people want I can address any questions they have.

Plain question though, what's worse: Someone who uses human shields or someone who attacks them anyway?

"As for your 19 children killed in a home - as was pointed out, if it housed weapons, then no, I do nto condemn it"

We're done here.

It didn't house weapons, btw, you sick fucks, an alleged member of Hamas's military wing was in attendance.

Go fuck yourselves, seriously.

"They're throwing parties as they watch the bombs drop"

I try to keep out of this because neither side of this debate is ever truly correct, especially when the debate happens out of places like the US and the UK, where people are truly clueless on this whole conflict, but really, Putin? You think it's all fun and games in Israel? They're just living the good life, sipping on cocktails with those cute little umbrellas while lounging on the Mediterranean beaches, right? Israel is so, so fortunate to have the Iron Dome, which is knocking out missiles over and over again, but it's not like there's no threat. I have family in Tel Aviv that gets interrupted by sirens every day, and down to the bomb shelters they go while the Iron Dome goes to work. Do you really think people just laugh that off?

The people I know over there are semi-safe because Israel is one of the most militarily advanced countries in the world and their defense is rock solid. But it's not like these rockets are fake, Putin.

http://puu.sh/amH3D/e4b14be5b9.png
http://puu.sh/amHE5/11b246c525.png

You're going to say that these rockets were shot down, so it's obviously not a big deal because they didn't blow up. That doesn't matter. Palestine shot these rockets into Israel, into *civilian areas* since that apparently means something more to you, intending to destroy and intending to kill.

Good god, you're a mess.

" You think it's all fun and games in Israel? They're just living the good life, sipping on cocktails with those cute little umbrellas while lounging on the Mediterranean beaches, right?"

Yes, actually, which is why there are photos of them doing just that.

http://www.herald.co.zw/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats/

"Good god, you're a mess."

You're in denial of the sick conduct of Israelis that the world has witnessed.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/20/israelis-gather-on-hillsides-to-watch-and-cheer-as-military-drops-bombs-on-gaza/

Do you really think I'm going to trust the word of the Herald for my news, the most pro-Mugabe newspaper ever written? They don't even try to mask their bias. I can't believe you actually read that. Granted, the pro-Mugabe, pro-dictatorship, anti-free speech combination probably appeals to you.

I'm not in denial of what Israel's done. They build illegal settlements in Palestinian territory, they respond to rocks thrown at tanks with gunfire, and they hide what they do to the rest of the world. I get it. I don't support Israel. The Palestinians ought to have a state. I have made that more than clear on this forum, and you and your buddies who think that this war is a one-sided argument in favor of the Palestinians continue to ignore it. I simply have family that lives in Israel and like any reasonable person, I don't want them to get hit by Palestinian rockets. I'm sure the people in Gaza feel the same way, so you should support peace, not retaliation. If the Palestinians were actually peaceful, or if the Israelis were actually peaceful, there would be a real villain, but as things are, there's just two deranged nations fighting each other with the knowledge that nothing good is going to come out of it. You'd know that if you weren't getting your info from RawStory or the Herald. Really, the Herald?

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-israeli-genocide-in-gaza/

Unless you want to refute the numbers, it's clear that Israel isn't targeting civilians. I made a comment a few days back that there would be waaaaaaay more civilian casualties in Gaza if Israel didn't care as much as it did about avoiding them as much as possible while achieving their goal of disrupting all terror targets in Gaza, of which there are many.

The problem Israel has is they don't feel safe deeling with a government that has proven connections to Hamas. The bloodshed there goes both ways and neither are solely to blame. On the other hand a few years ago when the Palestenians and Israelis were finally getting along on a land arrangement Israel, with The USA's backing built large complexes on soon to be Palestenian land. The crap over there is so convuluted that people who purely support one side or another don't know enough about the topic

Hamas has won with the FAA banning US airlines from going to Tel Aviv after a single rocket got near the airport. They haven't hit a single target that they aimed at, but the threat is enough to disrupt and terrorize.

Sometimes, I am truly blown away by how terrible political discourse is over on the other side of the atlantic. I mean, the UK is pretty awful when it comes to this, but even so you guys manage to make us look like total peaceniks.

Is that so, mendax?

http://news.yahoo.com/outcry-british-mp-tweets-fire-rockets-israel-232315636.html

@Randomizer - Rockets operate in the same airspace as airplanes. One comes *near* a plane and forces it to change course and your risk a mid air collision.

"Granted, the pro-Mugabe, pro-dictatorship, anti-free speech combination probably appeals to you."

Bingo, bo_sox.

"I'm sure the people in Gaza feel the same way, so you should support peace, not retaliation. If the Palestinians were actually peaceful, or if the Israelis were actually peaceful, there would be a real villain, but as things are, there's just two deranged nations fighting each other with the knowledge that nothing good is going to come out of it."

I think the Israelis and Palestinians as people are on equal moral footing; I maintain Hamas (not the Palestinians, Hamas) is worse than Israel...

Which I mean to be taken more as a sign of just how much I find Hamas to be an absolutely-despicable group than an endorsement of Israel.

Israel's done terrible things in the West Bank, and they're going to feel ashamed of it if a peace deal is ever signed and these parties have time to reflect.

But in a rare moment, I agree with what Netanyahu said today, equating Hamas to ISIS and Hezbollah (who have offered to support Hamas) and Boko Haram and Al Quaeda and so on. Hamas, by the statement of people who I know who lived in the region--heck, we heard from H.H. days ago--is a despicable organization.

And by cutting off travel to Tel Aviv, we ARE giving a "prize to terror."

That gives Hamas all the more incentive to target the airport and areas near the airport again...they said 10 days ago they would target it...and now, after seeing it had an effect, they most certainly will do so again. So--if they hit a plane, and hundreds die who are neither Israeli nor Palestinian and have nothing to do with this conflict...what will be the defense for Hamas "changing" then?

Their rockets can't do what the pro-Russian BUK missile did, but landing or taking off, they can still hit the plane and can still cause a crash or kill hundreds...heck, they could hit it on the landing strip.

"You're in denial of the sick conduct of Israelis that the world has witnessed."

You're in denial of the sick conduct of Russians that the world has witnessed.

People in glass houses, Putin...

The fact that that tweet was controversial shows that we have a long way to go over here.

Because British citizens were outraged at the idea of indiscriminately rocketing a civilian population and starting a massively-destructive war? Speaking of...

http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-found-second-united-nations-school-224830922.html

^I ask you...if Hamas really and truly cared about the civilian population of Gaza...

WHY put those rockets, ie, weapons of war AND a target for the Israelis, in what is supposed to be a shelter for civilians?

And this is the SECOND time this week, so not an isolated incident, either.

It's almost like Hamas doesn't care if Israelis accidentally hit innocents or not because hitting innocents benefits Hamas in terms of aid and the social media war...

But no...I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why they'd do this...twice...at least twice...so far...in just this last round of fighting alone..

PUTIN!! I hacked your computer and found your selfie gif...

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--LYkBkoU4--/lteu5in3vn7rbl20832h.gif

Sigh,. For a moment, it was as if adults were talking.

If by adults, you mean hate-filled media pawns spewing anti-semetic bullshit and ignoring Israel's right to defend itself, ignoring the reality that it's war, that collateral damage happens, and that when big boys and girls talk they recognize the dangerous facts and unexpected tragedy of war and can accept that not every death is intentional...then yes, I guess adult were talking.

Ironically -- when you thought the adults were talking, FineRedMist was silent....so...maybe you were right, and the adults WERE taling, right up until You made your (as usual) pointless attack comment.

Go teh fuck away RedAss. And if you can't take a moment of levity, then...seriously...go the fuck away, because that gif is fucking hilarious.

Once....JUST ONCE FineRedAss....make a comment that is actually relevent to the fucking conversation, instead of doing your usual Lobtard attack dog bullshit and coming in to throw insults at those you disagree with without every making an intelligent comment about any topic. And, while you're at it...why don't you join a fucking game...or are you worried that you will then be banned as a multi by actually violating a rule by playing games under multiple accounts (as you indicated to me in a PM that you believe you are NOT violating any rules until you play a game...)

NO - this is not an accusation -- this is simply the report of a conversation FineRedAss and I had in PM, lest any of you be concerned old krellin is making a cheating accusation...