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steephie22 (182 D(S))
10 Oct 13 UTC
I'm confused
I really don't have time for this, but I can't get it out of my head so maybe this helps.
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
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New Variant Trials Finished
Even though it wasn't a actual tournament or anything and the games were originally 'wait for ready up' and that stopped halfway through leading to a lot of cds... i figured as they've all come to an end i would post the "results" anyway
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Oct 13 UTC
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"Shut Down" Bullshit by Obama
If we don't Federal Workers to man the WWII memorial...how come we have enough to pay the guards to put up barricades and stand guard to prevents WWII vets from visiting? How come Obama still seems to have staff at his *golf course*?

Seems Barrack Dickhead Obama has a very selective vision of what "shut down" means...
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Oct 13 UTC
Mutha Russia
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-110-people-own-35-133554175.html

You mean to tell me that Russia is an oppressive, bigoted, hateful, classist regime? No fuckin way! ........... Where are you my one dear Putinite?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
I've had enough
SSE increase their energy prices by 8.2% for winter, despite reporting £1.2 billion profit in the summer. I've had enough, who's going to join me?

Under construction: www.peopleschoiceparty.org/test
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krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Humor
I thought I'd throw a little humor out there to brighten the day. Feel free to share yours as well.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Oct 13 UTC
DEBT CEILING NEGOTIATIONS
If nobody has ever negotiated on the Debt Ceiling, as Obama and the intellectually vacant around here say, …then how did we get Sequestration after the Debt Ceiling negotiations in 2011. Sequestration was *Obama’s* plan, by the way.

How very little intellectual integrity exists within you morally perverted Democrats…
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MarquisMark (326 D(G))
23 Sep 13 UTC
Rank Questions
So how long does a player remain a Political Puppet and then move on to Member, Experienced, etc?

Is it a matter of how long you've played or how many times you've won or drawn? Or is it just based on time spent on the site? Just curious. Thanks for your help....
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trip (696 D(B))
02 Oct 13 UTC
Diplomacy for the slow and old
Any interest in a 3 to 4 day phase game? I'd definitely want WTA, but buy-in, anonymity, and map (classic or modern) are up for debate. Drop a line and your preferences if interested. Thanks.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
So, if 6 people drop out of a game, would you feel any pride about winning?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=126892#gamePanel
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Oct 13 UTC
Comet
The first remnants of a comet on the planet have apparently been discovered... http://phys.org/news/2013-10-evidence-comet-earth.html
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2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
09 Oct 13 UTC
League of Denial
Anyone else watching Frontline tonight?
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lajder (100 D)
07 Oct 13 UTC
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test
tesr
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blankflag (0 DX)
09 Oct 13 UTC
was lincoln great for our elite?
bill still seems to think the elite wanted to divide america so lincoln was a problem for them. but i am not so sure. lets say he did not declare war on the south and let the south kick out the norths military from their territory, would that have really benefited them much?
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Jamiet99uk (758 D)
05 Oct 13 UTC
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"Wait for orders" mode
LOOK! A game-related forum thread. And from me, of all people.

So here's the thing. I really don't like "Wait for orders" mode.
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ePICFAeYL (221 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
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College Life
So a couple months ago I asked the WebDip community for advice for college. Many of you said that joining a frat would be a good idea, and at the very least I should check it out.
Well, on October 7th I am pledging to Theta Chi; are there any soon-to-be fellow frat mates on WebDip? What other fraternities are people a part of?
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
When the hell do I have to show up to play a live game?
No offense intended towards those who play day period games, but there are times when I just want to fucking play.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Oct 13 UTC
Five Popular Beliefs that are holding Humanity Back
As per below

Cheers!
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anlari (8640 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
Fog of war variant
Correct me if there is already one, but wouldn't it be cool to have a variant with 'fog of war'? You would only be able to see enemy units in territories neighbouring your own territory/armies. The uncertainty would make things very interesting.. perhaps with additional distance limitations on conversation as well
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
Very few things are more infuriating in Diplomacy
than when someone guns for you right off the bat, and it screws your game completely, and then THEY CD AT THE FIRST BIT OF ADVERSITY. Ugh. Just the worst.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
07 Oct 13 UTC
Mods refuse to cancel NMR-ruined game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=127048

Emailed a mod, the response was that its not site policy to force cancel games.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
28 Jan 13 UTC
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GUNBOAT TOURNAMENT
As has been mentioned, I am hoping to run a gunboat tournament. I intend it to be basic but also comprehensive. I will detail some "things" below. I would like to get a read on who would be interested in playing.

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josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
There are two major drivers of your playing outcome:
(1) the quality of the competition, so seating the players in even brackets would be priority one;
(2) the country you get, depending on the scoring method.

Obviously playing just one game can give a "lucky" result (i.e. I got an Austria solo - doesn't get luckier than that!), so the more games the better.

On the country you get, though, that needs to be evened out. If the average result is 2 D with Turkey and 1 point for Austria, than a below average player who gets 1.5 D with Turkey will beat an above average player who gets 1.4 D with Austria.

I took the data from http://www.draugnar.com/VaftStats/openings/gunboats.html excluding CDs and weighting wins by 13 D and draws by a reasonable 3 D and you can see getting 3 Austrias is a significant handicap versus 3 Turkeys on average.

(sorry, wasn't sure how to make it more readable...)

Average Played Won % Drawn % Survived % Defeated %
1.54 England 781 51 7% 179 23% 228 29% 323 41%
2.36 France 772 88 11% 227 29% 270 35% 187 24%
1.45 Italy 760 46 6% 168 22% 278 37% 268 35%
2.15 Germany 761 82 11% 190 25% 227 30% 262 34%
1.26 Austria 740 41 6% 132 18% 121 16% 446 60%
1.48 Russia 723 52 7% 132 18% 204 28% 335 46%
2.59 Turkey 738 102 14% 196 27% 239 32% 201 27%

If we all had one of each, we would have a reasonable benchmark of 13 D on average to be judged against...
josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
@Split - the numbers don't show out parity...
josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
P.S. can you tell I am trying to avoid work here at the office?
josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
@Split - probably if we aggregated the tourney players there would be more parity on outcomes, but I would still expect a statistically significant difference between certain countries...
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
21 Mar 13 UTC
Aren't Austrian solos easier for competent players, but not for casual ones, compared to other nations? So statistics against a field of noobs and pros should look very different from statistics on all-star games.
2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
21 Mar 13 UTC
I'll add that we've already had one Austrian solo already, in addition to an English, French, and Russian. We're all very capable gunboat players (except for Nigee) and I don't think the draw is as big an issue as some are making it out to be.
josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
If we can pull results by player we can test the hypothesis that the aggregate tourney player results have more parity. I believe we would still have a significant difference in outcome, albeit it likely a smaller gap.

15 random matches may be more even than 7 matches with a pure shuffle. However, the magic of 7 is that there are 7 countries, so obviously people would immediately wonder why not let everyone play each country once? Perception is reality as well, and most would say playing each country once is the fairest (even if some think the benefit small).

To anyone that believes with skilled players there is true parity, tell me if you got all 7 of one country would it be a level playing field?
Mapu (362 D)
21 Mar 13 UTC
To Split's point, isn't the classic map tuned for balance in press games as opposed to GB games?
I agree with Split here. And I think josunice helps my point, despite disagreeing. Italy is second worst, per him, however, I personally have more solos with Italy than any other nation. Not that this says a ton, but, each country has unqiue advantages and disadvantages. There is absolute parity.

When josuince says it was "lucky" he won with Austria, I also disagree. To win a game it means you outmanouevred your opponents. Any nation is equally capable of this.

And as I said before, to be a great player, you have to be great with every country. I still believe "unshuff;ed" power distribution is most fair.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
21 Mar 13 UTC
I agree with Lando and Split, each game is unique and the other players (and at some level your style of play) is far more important then the country assignments. I really like to play Austria, considered the biggest underdog, gunboat or not, and manage to get two draws with it (and come close to a solo). I really dislike Russia on gunboats and got a solo, so each game has it´s unique development and this is what makes diplomacy awesome.

And I am happy to end a really long strike without a win, hurray :-)
josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
Aside from the extraneous noise from non-random "random" assignment, the numbers clearly shows a LACK of parity. The data exists to prove country matters, even for rich and sexy in this tourney... even if we want to ignore the overwhelming perception.
josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
@rd - I agree the players matter the most, but at a table with the same 6 players would you rather play each nation once or Austria 7 times?
I would be indifferent between those.
SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
21 Mar 13 UTC
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I'd rather 7 Austria having Italy with brain but 7 France having Italy with no brain.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
21 Mar 13 UTC
I'm indifferent too, both approaches have their ups and downs.
It's interesting to me that 2WL, Split, RDR and I all agree on one side, and, we also have the most games played. Not sure if that means too much in itself, but it implies to me that those who have seen the most games eventually learn that there is no difference between powers.

Of course, drawing Austria in a live game is a different story.
josunice (3702 D(S))
21 Mar 13 UTC
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Let's pull the data and check it out... there is enough data out there to say something... I bet if we pull from the four of you guys all the games you've played gunboat not live with no CDs and containing no newbies we will find a statistical bias. Can we pull data somehow?

Regardless, here and now, the pertinent question is as this tournament calls for 7 games with the same 7 people, what is the fairest playing field to test your mettle? One of each country has perceptive if not tangible benefits, and the possible downsides mentioned (1) rainman can figure out who is who for the last couple of games, research their tendencies and favorite foods, and game the system or (2) you may boarder a specific player slightly more than random placement, though I doubt that is statistically significant as one of each country does not force you next to each other.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
21 Mar 13 UTC
I believe that the rules should not have been written this way, because in gunboat there is a lot of luck involved, and less ability to play your way out of an unlucky situation. There is, of course, a lot of luck after the power draw as well; that's the nature of gunboat.

Having said that, the rules were announced, we all signed up for a tournament knowing the rules, and therefore they shouldn't be changed midstream. In the five games so far revealed, my draw of 3 Italys and 2 Russias is about as hard as I could have gotten, and if I don't make the next round, I'll feel that was a major contributor. But, I signed up for the tournament knowing this was a possibility, and anybody else could have had a similarly poor draw. If I weren't willing to play a tournament where this might happen, I wouldn't have signed up.
2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
22 Mar 13 UTC
I've had my best Italy and Austria performances against quality competition. I think a lot of it has to do with just the level of knowledge that most of the players in this tournament have regarding the game. Austria and Italy aren't just viewed as easy targets because we realize how, for example, an Italy stab of Austria is a recipe for disaster, and how a combined A/I is one of the most powerful alliances on the board. Knowledge is power, in our case.
Draugnar (0 DX)
22 Mar 13 UTC
I just signed up to have some fun and hope not to embarass myself too badly and I think I succeeded on both counts.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
22 Mar 13 UTC
Well, I agree that random is not exactly random and this could be a problem. I confess I don´t envy CStein drawing 3 times Italy.
I am a democrat, so I think the 14 that make to the next round should vote if they want the country assignment to be random or play one time each power (if the TD or some mod agree to do this work, of course).
Josunice, its not that I don't believe your data exists, I just tend to trust personal experience over some sample population that doesn't approximate our actual population. Honestly, I would play Italy every time if I could in gunboat. I can't, so I try to be good at every country.

There was designed two different levels, one where people needed to demosntrate they could "survive." These two first rounds were designed as "whittle down rounds," and that explains much of my thinking in designing this. There is a reason the finals changes the scoring system, to solos over anything - because I feel like there is more randomness in the early rounds because people will behave more erratically, as the field is wider. The finals is supposed to represent the best 7 gunboaters here, so, I feel that it should be more systematic about things -its about solos, so everyone gets the same shot.

This probably doesn't explain things very well. I think taking a vote is an interesting option, rdr, let's consider this. There is also value in the idea that rules shouldn't be adjusted as the tournament progresses, as this in itself is unfair.
josunice (3702 D(S))
22 Mar 13 UTC
@CStein - I was not lobbying to change the tourney parameters - I am content with the format, but think the discussion is intriguing, no? If put to a vote, I would vote for one of each, not because I believe that is the fairest (which I do), but because if I am going to play 7 concurrent games against the same good players I would prefer trying each country. I am also happy to play as is, too!

Lando, thanks, again, for putting this together. I think we will have some fascinating results from looking at this tourney by country. I have been fascinated by the fact that Italy seems the most likely to weasel into a draw with few centers, which seems a combination of Tunis defense being critical to defend many solos, and skilled players makes their few centers critical...
I believe it would be too late to vote about this after the first round.It would be unfair to players who will be eliminated being played under this system.The voting should have taken place before the tournament started.
And if we voted I wouldn't vote for either,both ways I'm fine with.
Josunice - as you said - take a look at the stats for this tournament after it finishes and you'll find some other numbers.Those stats you brought are irrelevant. And the statistics is not only about percentages,there's a lot more elements in it...
According to your stats Turkey is the easiest power to win. All right. Now find the stats of all Turks solos and count the percentages of Turks solos in which two powers among Ita,Aus and Rus were actualy bad players. And then even he defeats all three of them and even he takes St.Peterburg (which is allmost impossible) he's still on 17 SC-s. Now find the stats of all Turks solos in which also two powers among Eng,Fra and Ger were also actualy bad players. Now count everything and the percentage of Turks solos will be 3% at the most. Meaning - it's all about the players and not about the randomizing or not.
Echoing Draug here, I just signed up to have some fun and hope not to embarass myself too badly, though I fear I didnt fare as well as he did.
Gunboat Tournament:
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Group A:
Active Remaining: 2
Split (17), gen. lee (14), trooth (9), yebellz (7), brianofboru (7), stressedlines (6), Chaqa (0)
gameID=110149 gameID=110151 gameID=110152 gameID=110153 gameID=110155 gameID=110164 gameID=110166

Group B:
Active Remaining: 4
josunice (19), Mapu (6), Czech (3), ava (3), fulhamish (3), pjmansfield (3), SpeakerToAliens (0)
gameID=110227 gameID=110228 gameID=110229 gameID=110230 gameID=110231 gameID=110232 gameID=110234

Group C:
Active Remaining: 2
y2kjbk (23), Your Humble Narrator (16), CSteinhardt (7), jesuspetry (6), Fairfax (4), AlexNesta (3), Draugnar (3)
gameID=110177 gameID=110178 gameID=110179 gameID=110180 gameID=110181 gameID=110182 gameID=110183


Group D:
Active Remaining: 3
rdrivera2005 (22.4),Lando (15.4), 2WL (7), NigeeBaby (6.4), TMOW (5.4), jcbryan97 (3), jimgov (2.4),
gameID=110156 gameID=110157 gameID=110160 gameID=110161 gameID=110162 gameID=110163 gameID=110165



Group B game 4 done. Very good game TMOW, you were very close to winning that for a long time.
2ndWhiteLine (2591 D(B))
22 Mar 13 UTC
Nice win, Lando. Putting a lot of pressure on me now.
I'm just happy to not be sitting in last anymore.
Draugnar (0 DX)
22 Mar 13 UTC
In my group I may be last, but at least there are three players with fewer points over all right now. :-)

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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
08 Oct 13 UTC
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http://xkcd.com/1274/
B-)
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Oct 13 UTC
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pls do not +1 this thrad
i am testn the forum comet section and ned 2 see wat post look like. pls don't +1! ty!!!
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
08 Oct 13 UTC
Anyone for a live game of gunboat?
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Aqx (0 DX)
06 Oct 13 UTC
Gunboat Strategy?
Hi everyone. Could someone point me in the direction of some general gunboat strategy, especially classic? Things like opening moves for different countries, how to "coordinate" with players given the restrictions, etc. Pretty please thank you!!
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
07 Oct 13 UTC
Netanyahu ........ out of touch, sad !!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10359803/Benjamin-Netanyahu-ridiculed-over-suggestion-Iranians-are-banned-from-wearing-jeans.html
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MKECharlie (2074 D(G))
05 Oct 13 UTC
Who wants to pop my (gunboat) cherry?
There's a first time for everything…
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Test Don't Comment Or +1
Test TEST test
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
16 Sep 13 UTC
IPCC finally admits that it was lying to us all
You've gotta love this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/we-got-it-wrong-on-warming-says-ipcc/story-e6frg8y6-1226719672318
My stance on global warming for the last year has remained the same: The IPCC were exaggerating their claims, and that while global warming is happening, its not happening as quickly as climate scientists think.
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