Off to buy a camara so I can shoot you all. Also be warned I may be shooting some movies soon, possibly black and white ones in those big cans as they are so much easier to hit than coke cans. I may also be shooting some sideways glances, bu not for a while.

I may even consider shooting my load.

Draugnar, what happened to not feeding the trolls? Just let Nigee talk and ignore him

@ teufelhunden83

Yeah, exactly. The casing is longer. Like I said, it depends on the gun. Some .357s should fire .38 with no problems, but others may run into problems.

And even the best gunsmith can't make double action pull less than a little heavy.

@ Yellowjacket

Make sure you tell us what you finally decide to buy.

I guess I have to play devil's advocate on this one. Revolvers are going to give you more variety as far as ammunition is concerned. You can load just about anything into a revolver (jacketed softpoint, semi-wadcutters etc), whereas with a semiautomatic pistol you are basically limited to full metal jacket, frangible and hollowpoint.

Revolvers are going to be tougher to conceal because the cylinder will have a noticeable bulge under your clothing. Also, reloading, even with speedloaders will be challenging. Carrying spare ammunition could also be a pain. With the 1911 and its single stack magazine, you have the gun on one hip and two spare magazines on the other hip. Very discreet, and it's 22 rounds of ammunition to equalize whatever bad situation you are in. With a revolver you could probably carry 18 rounds total, 6 in the gun and 2 speedloaders in your pockets.

+ a large integer for YJ for starting a thread that I can laugh about. I launched a small +1 spree here for people like Klein, Nigee, Putin and yourself, all of them with excellent contributions.

All I would care to add is that I love how gun-ownership and pro-gunness tends to correlate highly with people who describe themselves in other areas as being "pro-Life".

Let's hope my country stays relatively gun-free. In case anything ever happens, all I can offer to my compatriots is a sharp knife and a freshly sharpened pencil. Such are the burdens.

You can't play russian roulette with a semi-auto. 'nuff said.

@dDST - Sure you can. Just make certain you go last or cock the slide before slapping the clip in and then *you* go first.

I missed you, YJ. Welcome back.

Snooki should play Russian roulette with a semiautomatic.

YJ's got a gun
YJ's got a gun
His whole world's come undone
From lookin' straight at the sun
What did SillyPutty do?
What did he put you through?
They said when YJ was arrested
they found Putty underneath a train
But man, he had it comin' Now that YJ's got a gun
he ain't never gonna be the same.

I figured you'd say something like that, Jack.

Please then, allow me to amend my original statement to:

"I'd like to do the political equivalent of shooting Putin in the testicles and then (figuratively) disemboweling him with the political equivalent of a rusty meathook. The I would do the political equivalent of gouging out his eye and skullfucking him until I do the political equivalent of jizzing all over his family."

We're good now, right? No violent action there, only analogy. Thanks for correcting me and leading by example.

@Gunfighter, I'll be sure to check out the 1911, any idea how much they run for new? I'm not so interested in concealing... though it is legal in WI. Just something for home and firing practice.

@all, it's been really eye opening, actually, seeing how people (here and IRL) respond to my expressed interest in buying a gun. It's like all of a suddenly I'm some kind of wacko intent on a killing spree in the near future. Wanna know why I decided to do it? I got a bit more educated on the purpose of police. Despite what they say, they aren't here to "Serve and Protect." Cops are here to preserve order, first and foremost. Anything else they do is a bonus. If shit ever DOES (god forbid) hit the fan, they aren't going to give a rats ass about me. I just realized that *I* was responsible for protecting my own, and that's pretty hard to do with my impressive collection of kitchen knives.

...and that's all there is to it.

@PE thanks man I do still love the forums... and will be getting back into some games soon I think

@Draug: nice man, real nice :)

Clearly, you've been purchasing the wrong kitchen knives.

@ Yellowjacket

Sorry, I didn't know that you were A) Not interested in concealed carry and B) have a firm price limit. A good 1911 (like the Colt's Mfg Mark IV/Series 70 I previously mentioned) is going to be out of your price range, unfortunately.

A .357 revolver would be an excellent choice for you. I would check out Smith & Wesson. They have an extensive selection of reasonably-priced, high-quality double action revolvers in a variety of calibers and barrel lengths. Most of their product line is going to be just under 1,000 USD, but their quality (Made in USA) is well worth it.

Keep in mind that a revolver will not last forever. Eventually the springs get worn out and the gun will not function properly, but this only happens after years of heavy use, which sounds like it will not be a concern for you.

Check out the .45ACP M&P. It's reasonably priced at 600 USD, and while it is a semiautomatic and therefore much more complex than what you are looking for, it is worth consideration. A firearm purchase is a big deal and should not be taken lightly, especially if you have limited funds.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765736_-1_757782_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Please let us know what you finally decide on.

I reiterate. You're a classy guy, Yellowjacket.

Don't you wish there was a sarcasm font on the internet for such occasions?

YJ what you have written is absolutely brilliant insight
"I got a bit more educated on the purpose of police. Despite what they say, they aren't here to "Serve and Protect." Cops are here to preserve order, first and foremost. Anything else they do is a bonus. If shit ever DOES (god forbid) hit the fan, they aren't going to give a rats ass about me. I just realized that *I* was responsible for protecting my own, and that's pretty hard to do with my impressive collection of kitchen knives."

OK so now you're 'educated' you will buy a gun to do what? How do you plan to use it?
Have you thought about shooting or killing someone?
You're going to protect your own with a gun, if you live with that fear why not move to a safer area.
If the 'educated' people like yourself think like this, what do the really stoopid don't give a damn about anybody or anything people think?

Nigee...there is no "safe" area. You can be robbed murdered or killed anywhere in this country. There is a right to bear arms for a reason. You can't rely on others for protection all the time.

Tyran are you talking about the same country as me, apparently the greatest country on Earth, the land of the free and the home of the brave?

I am indeed talking about Canada O_O

Canada is dangerous ....... they can kill you with kindness there :-)

But how expensive are the hookers there?

Ah, the Canadian pharmacy, sinister....... never make the mistake of spending too much time on your junk mail.

OUR-CANADIAN-PHARMACY-HAS-ALL-YOUR-MEDS-FOR-80%-OFF-RETAIL
SAVE A FORTUNE ON VIAGRA CIALIS LEVITRA AND HUNDREDS OF OTHER MEDS
SIMPLY CLICK BELOW NOW AND HAVE MEDS DELIVERED TO YOUR DOOR WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION
http://www.rxmedicaresupplement.com

The Canadians are trying to infiltrate the world with sex-enhancing pharmaceuticals. These are the chemical weapons they export.

@Jack:

You don't have to be classy when you have pwnage on your side. That's why I've handed you the debate equivalent of an anal rape - without the debate equivalent of lube (i.e. class). Since you clearly don't have the debate equivalent of mace (any sort of valid counterargument) to fend off my assault, the debate equivalent of my dong (PENETRATING logic) is currently shredding the debate equivalent of your rectum (conclusion). And your reply will undoubtedly be the debate equivalent of butthurt (butthurt - not an analogy, it's a double entendre). So maybe it's in your best interest to do the debate equivalent of lying back, enjoying it while it lasts, and submit (admit you DO NOT, in fact, prefer to keep the language of violence in political discourse).

UCwhatIdidthere? It's clever because you have to either cede the point, or tell me that there is nothing at all violent about the paragraph I just wrote. What's it gonna be, Jacky-boy?


@Nigee:

Just to be clear, I haven't thought of shooting or killing somebody as in "I wish I had a gun to kill this motherfucker." However, I have, in the abstract, considered under what circumstances I'd want some means of self-defense. That is also not to say that I sit around fantasizing about getting the opportunity to use it. I certainly do not. I don't like violence, I don't even like confrontation. But we don't always have a choice when violence and confrontation are forced upon us.

I also find it interesting that you'd assume that because I've had this thought, and have decided to make a legal purchase to that end, that I am "living in fear." I'm absolutely not. I can't remember the last time I felt unsafe. High school? I'd say the odds of me using a gun anywhere outside of the target range are about 1 in 100,000. The odds of my getting hit by a car on my bicycle on the way to work are about the same, but I still wear a helmet. The odds of my using that gun in an offensive manner are about as good as of my charging the car helmet-first. It's the trouble you can't sidestep that you ought to be prepared for. Reasonable precaution isn't paranoia.

I really find it strange the kinds of conclusions people are making about me based on this. I'm far from militant, I'm in favor of equal rights for all cultural groups, and I'm pretty left of center politically, but none of that seems to matter now.

I can't answer for the stoopid - you'd have to ask them.

Poor Yj, he tries so hard.

Now a rape joke. What a disgusting little twerp.

Not a joke, Putin, it's an ANALOGY, which according to Jack is awwwwright.

Eh, 2/10. You did try. But telling us all how you're winning and kicking ass is a sure fire way to demonstrate how bankrupt your ideas are. (CHARLIE SHEEN IS WINNING! WINNING I SAY!)

But nice try.