"I use science when they are reasonable. Can you really comprehend "4.5 whatever" billion years ago. People only live about 80 years. You are saying 4000000000000 years."

That you use this argument to justify belief in a higher alien lifeform/deity ruling over our planet is laughable.

Can you comprehend that computers use numbers more precise then 13 decimal places, next argument please.

The link you sent me too was a pretty poorly made website which clearly needed to invest more time into its "sources" and its overall design which was about as interesting as watching sheep bang each other.

The notion that a higher alien lifeform rules over our planet is somehow more reasonable than science?

Think about how perfect we are made. We can see, hear, touch, smell. We can eat and drink. We have a brain. How could that not be made by a god? How could the universe, as complex as it is, be not made by a higher deity?

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I wonder what units you use to measure the extent of the universe to make it comprehensible. Or, conversely, the Planck scale. The total amount of debt in the world economy. The number of sand grains on all beaches. Comprehend this!

Let me simplify this troll discussion:
Sbyvl36, please check your email (all email accounts you have, but especially the one attached to your profile).

The Watchmaker analogy is a fallacy. If complexity is proof of intelligent design, then who designed the designer?

Do you have an answer for this?

Think about how perfect we are made. We can see, hear, touch, smell. We can eat and drink. We have a brain. How could that not be made by a god? How could the universe, as complex as it is, be not made by a higher deity?

You're just reciting Paley's watch analogy. At least give him credit.

It's a failed logic though - if complex things must have been intelligently designed by something more complex than themselves, then your God must also have been designed by something yet more complex.

"Let me simplify this troll discussion:
Sbyvl36, please check your email (all email accounts you have, but especially the one attached to your profile)."

What is that supposed to mean? I don't like the idea of morons populating our planet but I would prefer that to the idea of tyrants curtailing free speech.

Think about how perfect we would have been if we could control time, fly, spit fire out of our mouths, and live forever. Or on the flip side, if nobody on earth could smell. The notion would never occur to anyone so it would not be missed. This is not proof at all that something made us.

So who painted Altamira if the earth is only 3800 years old. Man thats crazy God must have assumed human form, created some paints and went into the caves in spain and france and just started painting for fun too.

When Mary was assumed to heaven I just imagine that goblin hordes attacked her and she cast a 20 die fireball on them.

brainbomb, even God needs vacation from his tedious job.

I like fallacies! I can make my own!

The complex universe you observe is a result of an infinite series of Baum–Frampton cycles. The anthropic principle states that you are just lucky to live in one of the cycles fine-tuned for conscious lifeforms. In fact, you couldn't live in the googolplex of hellish cycles because no conscious lifeforms would evolve during them - it's as if they never happened. It's only natural that everything seems so perfect in our world.

Now prove me wrong.

Lol +1 ulytau :)

Sarg, there are specific rules setup for the forum. I'm not going to stop people from trolling. There are other reasons (usually game related) when I ask people to check their email...

I believe it is very possible the universe was created 1 second ago exactly as it is and we only believe that it existed before that point. But, that doesn't matter. Whether the earth (or universe) was created 1 second ago, 6000 years ago, or much longer really doesn't matter. We have to live life in the universe we perceive, the reality doesn't matter.

I think what Fortknox is telling is that you should wait 12 hours with reacting on Sbyvl because the short future will tell us what a wast of time that effort would be :)

by by sbyvl :)

"I believe it is very possible the universe was created 1 second ago exactly as it is and we only believe that it existed before that point. But, that doesn't matter. Whether the earth (or universe) was created 1 second ago, 6000 years ago, or much longer really doesn't matter. We have to live life in the universe we perceive, the reality doesn't matter."

If you cannot be a poet...live like a poem.

???

Indeed, Alderian, we have to accept the rules of the Matrix we "live" in. Luckily, the being constantly recreating our "world" suffers from the same fate by an even higher being so there's some cosmic justice after all. Don't ask me where I got this gnosis.

And that being has his creator and that one his ad infinitum...

@Sbyvl36:

"Do you have an answer for this?
Think about how perfect we are made. We can see, hear, touch, smell. We can eat and drink. We have a brain. How could that not be made by a god? How could the universe, as complex as it is, be not made by a higher deity?"

If, as you see it, the only explanation for the complexity of the universe is that it must have been conjoured out of nothingness by an all-powerful wizard who lives in the sky, what is your explanation for the complexity of the sky wizard? Where did he come from?

Also, if your argument for the age on the earth is based on the proposition that the age of the earth only dates back to the start of "recorded history", then that's fundamentally flawed. It appears highly probable that the earth had been in existence for some time before any human being existed who was capable of producing any kind of record.

Good point Jamie. Even by the genesis account, there's a whole week before humans were on the earth! Damn!

Well, yeah, the earth had been in existence for 5 days before the great sky wizard greated humans.