Ok, I got 40+ papers to grade tonight, so I am not going to have a lot of time to argue with Draugnar, but I will take a little break from grading.
"Stop making a mockery out of their freedom of speech."
"I think zultar is just expressing disappointment that the world has not matured enough that we can't be nice to theists on the internet. I don't think he's actually implying that the other threads should be locked, he's just telling the bullies that maybe they should cool it, even if they're not breaking the rules."
"Moreover (responding now to your most recent post), zultar was merely pointing out hypocrisy, which in fact does exist in this case. It's perfectly consistent with the free exchange of ideas to point out to one group that they're being jerks and hypocrites."
"There is an obvious lack of respect directed a Mujus and that to me is the heart of the issue."
Draugnar, you are always harping on people about not being able to read and comprehend. I think you might want to take a bit of your own medication. I argued multiple times on multiple threads that Mujus should limit his quotes to a single thread because there is no need to clutter/spam the site with the same thing and because it is inconsiderate. I was the first one to create a "Daily religious post" thread.
Here, I did not say that Mujus does or does not have the right to speak (I do think the freedom of the speech/idea is fundamental to an enlightened society) nor did I say that you and others do not have the right to mock them. I asked that both sides be considerate and respectful. If you want to engage them in a meaningful conversation about the daily bible quotes or the validity of the quotes themselves, fine, great, go for it. It is the clear lack of respect for Mujus (on the personal side of things) and the "daily" spams (on the more practical side of things) that I have issues with.
"If that isn't telling people to shut up, I don't know what is. He is stifling free speech, or at least attempting too. The very thing he wants for Mujus is the very thing he desires to deny others."
I don't remember telling people that they couldn't discuss the issue. In fact, if I take the time, I could dig up posts where I said I like these discussions and would encourage people to participate. I clearly asked Mujus to stop on the forum and in private chats to stop his proselytizing and consolidate his posts into one waaaaaay before I asked folks to stop spamming "daily" threads to be respectful and considerate.
Moreover, we have you on record multiple times requesting and bitching about the derogatory use of homosexual terms and that they should be banned or silenced or whatever. If that's not stifling free speech, I don't know what is. That, to me, is hypocrisy again. I despise hate speech and think they should be curtailed because they do not do anything but incite hate. They do not at all add values to the discussion. Why should they be curtailed but not banned? Because they are disrespectful and inconsiderate and they do not positively contribute to the worth of the conversation.
"This is a private site. There is no freedom of speech."
That, I just find to be greatly amusing as you, Draugnar, have more than once abused the freedom of speech on this site. If Kestas and the mods/admins do really moderate the forum, then you would have been banned/silenced (not voluntarily) many times over. I applaud the mods and most people for being advocates for the freedom of speech whether or not they are guaranteed or given on a site or in a society. FoS is more important as an idea, not as a rule or a law, just as being considerate and respectful is more important to do as human beings, not because it's a rule or a law.
Germany is a freaking liar
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