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jpgredsox (104 D)
02 Oct 11 UTC
Anwar Al-Awlaki
The United States has assassinated an American citizen, never having been charged or indicted; this has sent a precedent that anyone the government deems a "threat" by a legal analysis the government won't even release can be blown up from the sky. There is no outcry or even discussion among most Americans; he is a terrorist. When people exchange liberty for security, they deserve neither.
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bihary (2782 D(S))
14 Oct 11 UTC
Deleting supply centers
If I was to delete some supply centers on the map to improve balance and to make the map less unit-crowded, I would delete centers in Rumania, Denmark and Portugale. What do you think?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
11 Oct 11 UTC
Ulysses, James Joyce
So, I'm reading Joyce's Ulysses this week as part of my studies. It's a renowned and controversial text so I figured many of you here would have something worthwhile to offer me on it. Although I expect and welcome a fair amount of comments of ridicule - I hope some of our more scholarly contributors might be able to offer me an insight/judgement or two.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 Oct 11 UTC
"If *I* Say Its Too Hard, Joyce Has Clearly Failed.*
^True quote from a guy so pompous even *I* can't stand him (who claims to know all about...everything, and knows nothing, INISISTING English people wore no pants or anything of the sort until Henry VIII, and that tarring a guy's ball's is ESSENTIAL to understanding Huck Finn...not kidding, he said this)
1. If a work is "too hard"/unclear to you, your fault, authors's fault, or both?
2. I argued you should read such works twice, he said bull--opinions?
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
14 Oct 11 UTC
So many good games
with openings, if only they were not password protected.
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basvanopheusden (2176 D)
11 Oct 11 UTC
The advice thread
Some of us are students who seek knowledge. Some of us are professors, teachers, or practicioners who have knowledge. Why not use this forum to learn?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Oct 11 UTC
Bug with muting and the Home screen.
I'm not on the Dev forum and don't even remember if I ever created an account so if Kestas reads this or someone wants to relay it...
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rollerfiend (0 DX)
14 Oct 11 UTC
Big Mouth game password
Hi I'm trying to get into a game called Big Mouth, I'd like to play if y'all still need players
please pm me whenever!
cheers
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The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
14 Oct 11 UTC
Mute Thread
is the best feature EVAR. Okay, you can mute this one now.
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Zarathustra (3672 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Congratulations!
I have now been back around phpDip for a couple weeks now and I just want to say to everyone that this must be one of the best forums on the web.
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Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Fanning the flames of white grievance
So I'm not accused of derailing the science thread.

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SacredDigits (102 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
I'll go you one better. I know a woman who was born in Egypt, to parents who were ethnically Egyptian. What continent is that in? Africa, right? She emigrated to the US and was turned down from participating in several "African American" scholarships and contests (including ones that had federal funding). I think that's junk.

But.

I think that the NAACP had and has an important place in America. Racism isn't conquered, there's no meaningful peace of information that says it is. Find me a scholarship group that isn't racist to some degree and I'll agree. It's just that the NAACP states their racial preference, unlike the others.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
NAACP gets grants and loans (some at 0% interest) also.

Tax exempt status, which I may bring the case of the Mormon church, which was threatened by this very same US Government of losing their Tax exempt status if they did not allow Blacks to hold their preisthood.

Pulling Tax exempt status over a racial issue? Sound familar? It does to me.

is NAACP racist? Answer the question.
spyman (424 D(G))
12 Oct 11 UTC
"She emigrated to the US and was turned down from participating in several "African American" scholarships and contests (including ones that had federal funding). I think that's junk."

I don't think that is what they mean by "African American", by that argument white South Africans who come to America should be eligible for such scholarships.
SacredDigits (102 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
The NAACP's tax exempt status has been threatened several times as well for a variety of reasons.

While they are racist, the course of your argument is that they are the most racist or even only racist group with tax exempt status. I would say that's categorically untrue.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
There was a White South African who qualified as a 'African American' for a scholarship, but nobody ever saw her. It was with rutgers, and she got a full boat ride ther.


She showsup, and NAACP there to greet her, and uh oh...problem here, white girl with red hair is here, to get our free money.....noooo.

She sued Rutgers, and they had to pay for her to get an education at another University...lol

name a few other racist organizations that have tax free status? Oh ya, Nation of islam comes to mind quickly also...lol
SacredDigits (102 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Show me one that isn't racist.
Sicarius (673 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
@ draugnar
you are the white guy everyone hates, just so you know.



http://www.theonion.com/video/landmark-civil-rights-act-made-racism-slightly-les,21352/
SacredDigits (102 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Also, I believe the Rutgers white South African case to be a fabrication and will continue to do so until disproven. No one gives scholarship money to someone they have not met, and she would have had to sue the NAACP, not Rutgers.
Sicarius (673 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
also the rappers who talk about nothing but money and violence that are so very popular?

Gee I wonder who gives them record contracts and why.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
I will look for the Rutgers case, but here is one from a White guy, also African

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7567291&page=1
Sicarius (673 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
@ scared digits

show you 'one' what that isnt racist?
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Sic, there are plenty of Black producers now, and that still does not excuse individual behavior.

Are they, or are they not responsbile for their actions? They being Black youths who commit crimes, and then I hear liberals run to their defense to blame everything and everyone for it, but the black youth.

Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
African-American has a specific meaning that doesn't mean "immigrant from Africa". This discussion is silly. A white South African is not African-American because the latter term refers to descendants of slaves in the US. People immigrating from Africa do not have the same history, culture, and experience as US African-Americans and aren't of the same nationality. That's like complaining about a scholarship for French speakers not granting it to a Spanish speaker. It's apples and oranges.

There's plenty of "white" music that has violence and misogyny, nobody bitches about it though.

And jesus h. christ when even liberals are buying into this crap about the NAACP being "racist" then the world is in trouble. It's a disgrace. White people have *led* the NAACP, but it's a racist organization because it promotes civil rights for oppressed groups?
Sicarius (673 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
I'm not throwing personal responsibility out the window, no. But you have to understand how much is working against them.
Invictus (240 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Skin color should be treated like hair or eye color. People are only individuals and should be treated as such.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
"it is why when I hear people blame black violent crime rates on poverty. PLEASEEEEEEE....Rape and Murder do not equate to a Povverty crime...ever
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People get caught up in gangs and drugs because of a lack of access to jobs and legal economic opportunities, which leads to rape and murder. How many rich people are on death row? Why is the prison population overwhelmingly poor? Just a coincidence?

Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Putin, I am not defending them, though, okay? I do not run around defending dumb white criminals, see the difference? They did something wrong? Flush em. They got to pay the price. If someone listens to 'angry white boy' music, then goes an acts on it, guess what? Put me on the jury, Illl help convict, okay?

Stop. You do this all the time. I attack obama, you throw bush at me (I hate that guy also), I attack black culture and point out some GLARING flaws, and you point out white flaws.

Because I attack one thing, does not mean I am defending or supporting the other.

Sic. When one man in Memphis, who is 29, has 21 children (yes, google it, very true) and people blame his 'poverty' for it, yes, they tried, I want to vomit.

21 children with like 14 different women? At some point, that man needs to accept responsibility. The Christian newsome story, that got not ONE MINUTE of MS media play, but that stupid Duke lacross case got like 131 straight days of it, and then not a peep of an apology to the people they drug thru the mud?

So then obama is not African American either, right? I sure hear a lot of people in the media labeling him as such, but he is 100% NOT that, according to your definition. What is good the goose is good for the gander.

There is no 'legal' definition to the word "African American' either, at least when I searched. So, where is this 'specific meaning' at? It is implied, right?

Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
"Skin color should be treated like hair or eye color. People are only individuals and should be treated as such"

Ok, let me know when people of certain hair colors have unemployment rates double or triple that of others.

Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
"Putin, I am not defending them, though, okay? I do not run around defending dumb white criminals, see the difference"

You simply go on long rants about how bad black culture (you attacked the entire culture, not just 'individuals') is because heaven forbid there be equal opportunity requirements. What a hysterical and defensive reaction to the idea that maybe, just maybe, economic and educational disparities can't all be pinned on the alleged inferiority of black people.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
So, why do some of the poorest states, Maine and WWest Viriginia, which are very high white populations, have such low crime rates? Their poverty does not force them to make the same crimes?

And again, it does not matter Putin. Do the crime, do the time. Rich people do the crime, they should also do the time. I am not DEFENDING them. STOP!!!!

You do this all the time,. It is your MO.

So, you dont have a job, according to you, it justifies rape and murder? Stealing I understand, rape/murder I do not.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
I'm not saying you're defending them. I'm pointing out that the prison population is overwhelmingly poor, so there is a connection between poverty and crime. Stop screaming and read, for christ's sake.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
You forgot one big part of my rant. I said ''I am saying this in general, as I know that is not true in every case" nice cherry picking you have done...again You are so good at that, but I am going to call you on it every time.

And here you go, yet one more time, saying something I never did. Where, in a single post, did I say they were 'inferior'? Show me.

You make excuses for anything bad they do, and try to defend every bad action. I do not do that, I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of it.

So, again, keep going, its cute.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Im well aware of poverty= crime. I did not debate that, not once. What I am debating is that 'poverty is a good excuse for rape and murder' which is what you certainly are implying.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Maine is poor? I thought they were average. Might have something to do with the fact that have very few population centers. Hard to rape and murder people if there are no people around to rape and murder. Overall the wealthier the state is, the less crime. New Mexico has very few African-Americans, yet has a high crime rate. Maybe next you'll say Latinos are racially predisposed to crime too.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Lets compare black culture in the 1960s (pick any time, before or after Civil rights act) and tell me it was not 100% better for itself than this rubbish they have today.

they had sollid family units, and as much as it pains you, the Christian core of their culture kept crimes WAY down. They had their own communities and businesses. Today, they have nothing like that at all.

They have taken steps backwards in getting equal. Cradle to grave welfare/social progarams are not helping. They are hurting. Help them to take care of themselves, dont help them to become slaves to the Democrats every 2 to 4 years.

that is exactly what has happened for the bulk. Sure, lots of blacks have moved up to the middle class, and kudos, However, many many are quite happy to get theri freebies.

They, and our Government, are killing them faster than anything the klan ever did.

Invictus (240 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
"Ok, let me know when people of certain hair colors have unemployment rates double or triple that of others."

That's a cultural problem, not one of race in a biological way. Black people are no different from anybody else by anything but cultural standards. Any problems are a result of how this set of people behave and other sets treat them, not a result of how blacks are in a biological way, since no such difference exists. It's all culture. All of it.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
" ''I am saying this in general, as I know that is not true in every case""

I'm well aware you're making a generalized condemnation of black culture while claiming there are individual exceptions. That doesn't make your rant any less of a generalized attack on black culture. How is saying "most black people are like this" such a step up from saying all are like this?

"And here you go, yet one more time, saying something I never did. Where, in a single post, did I say they were 'inferior'? Show me. "

It's a clear as day implication from your racist diatribes. Blacks are content with their freebies, they don't work as hard, their culture is opposed to educational achievement, they're predisposed to engage in criminal behavior. All of which implies that blacks are inferior. Just because you don't come out and say it, doesn't mean that that isn't the message you're trying to get across. The message of blacks as lazy, underachieving, criminals who enjoy handouts from the government.

You even say that the advancement of civil rights laws is responsible for the breakup of the African-American family and their decline overall as a race.

This is racism. I don't care if you and your ilk pound the "PC police" card, that's what it is. It's hysterical generalized attacks on a racial group because of some bullshit personal anecdotal stories you trot out.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Not talking about Lationos. dont change the subject .

the recession has CRUSHED maine badly. They have had the largest increase in 'children living in poverty' than any other state. 42% increase, against the national average of 18%.

Depending on what 'chart' you use, the rank between 30- and 42.

I think Blacks are capable of takign care of theirown problems, but we have to get out of the way. Eventually, these social programs will have to be turnedoff (see the debt as the reason) and they will be forced to do it anyways, so why not get the ball rollling now?
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
"That's a cultural problem, not one of race in a biological way. Black people are no different from anybody else by anything but cultural standards. Any problems are a result of how this set of people behave and other sets treat them, not a result of how blacks are in a biological way, since no such difference exists. It's all culture. All of it."

Yes of course it's a cultural problem. But the racial category created the cultural problem, so you can't simply ignore race and pretend it isn't relevant. It's a relevant cultural category. Biology is neither here nor there.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Putin, the truth is racsim? Tell me, why is it that 71% of black children dont have a father in the house now, and that was under 10% in the 1960s? Is that HELPING or HURTING them? seriously, answer this question.

I am 100% pointing out FACTS, that you quickly run ot the 'racist' card thinking you will get me to back down. You wont. I am not saying anything that isnt true, am I?

Okay,l disregard my personal stories, and deal with the facts then. 71%.....less than 10%....fact or not?

Are they better off as a whole now, or then? SOME are much better off, but I think as a WHOLE, a few at the top have sucked it up. Just like whites, huh? tons of poor whites, with a few rich whites? hmm, interesting huh?

I hire/fire people all the time. I hire off the resume, period. I fire off their actions...period.

Have hired some blacks, and fired some blacks. have hired some whites, fired some whites. It is the way things are. people are people.

their culture is void of any morality now. With the severe lack of fathers in their homes, they turn to THAT trash (rap) and latch onto those men as 'father figures'. You do not see a problem with that Putin? You honestly think THAT is a good role model for these youths?

Call me wahtever you want, but you are 100% avoiding the questions being asked her.


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santosh (335 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
StP Fleet NC in Builds 1901
When would it make sense to build Fleet StP 1901 instead of an army there? Isn't the army there much more flexible and useful? My point is that Russia cannot hope to mount a full offensive on England this early - and certainly not a naval one, so isn't his best hope in the North to mount a flexible defense while spooking Germany into helping him? Even when he succeeds in doing so, wouldn't Germany play the major naval part with your original fleet supporting from the Norwegian?
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omnomnom (177 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
I just love it when people make contraversial threads and then...
When their arguments are blown apart, they don't respond except to correct spelling errors and declare victory because of that.
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AverageWhiteBoy (314 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
The Mormons are heretics.
But that's not the same thing as being a cult.
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jpgredsox (104 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
Iran-U.S. Relations
The Iranian government won't provoke the US into war because Iran would not win. Iran's nuclear ambitions result from a regional struggle with Saudi Arabia and having a weapon would increase local prestige/power; Iranian possession of a weapon is certainly not a threat to the US, and is less of a threat than to the US than Pakistan's weapons are.
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jgcrawfo (100 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
Live anonymous gunboat, starting in five minutes!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69958
Join up! Fast & fun!
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wacki (132 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
no orders possible in all World Diplomacy IX games
since more then 2 hours it is not possible to fill in orders in my World Diplomacy IX games. There is only the message orders loaded... but nothing happened. Reload, Reconnect and Restart of game, browser, internetconnection and computer do not change anything so I guess the problem is not local...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Oct 11 UTC
NFL Week 5 Pick 'Em
Cocnkey topped the field of WebDip NFL Experts--sure, we're experts, right?--with 14 games picked correctly...congrats! (Full standings inside!)
But its a new week! The Jets and Pats enter a game neither can afford to lose with the upstart Bills at 3-1! Buffalo can drop Philly's Dream Team to 1-4 with a win! Oakland, Houston, Tampa, and San Fran all play as upstarts trying to gain standing! GB@ATL in the nightcap, and DET@CHI on Monday Night! Week 5...PICK 'EM!
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tricky (148 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
Fast dilema
I'm looking to organise a 5min turn anon with no in game messaging this evening but only have two points. Is there a way around this problem?
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Yonni (136 D(S))
11 Oct 11 UTC
As G, what do you tell R about Sweden in S01?
I've always felt that this is one of the more awkward talking points in S01. How do you normally approach this as Germany (or Russia for that matter)?
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The Situation (100 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
Five Finger Death Punch
So how 'bout their new album - American Capitalist?
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Zarathustra (3672 D)
11 Oct 11 UTC
Still looking for players....
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69707

It would be really sad if gryncat and I's welcome back game started with civil disorder.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Oct 11 UTC
Quote of the day - Read in a business article regarding study criteria.
"Like any good negotiation, we've managed to make all parties moderately dissatisfied,"

Just felt so Diplomacy related on oh so many levels.
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Cynical Naif (142 D)
13 Oct 11 UTC
Suggested press variants to spice up the game
Make the diplomacy phase more challenging with the outside-the-box message variants contained within.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Oct 11 UTC
DC Plot
This thing is wild. Let your thoughts and inevitable conspiracy theories fly.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/11/official-fbi-dea-disrupt-terror-plot-in-u-s-involving-iran/?hpt=hp_t1
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Tsarwash (100 D)
11 Oct 11 UTC
Player collusion in anonymous, nil message games.
Do people think that it actually happens much, in games with no messaging at all, that two players decide before the game to help each other. I'm not complaining, or accusing, I just wanted to know what people's thoughts are about this. I have only come across one game where I suspected that the two players were in cahoots from before the game started, but whether or not it happened, the actions of two players kind of ruined the game.
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Riphen (198 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Top 10 Stoner Movies
And no. This is not a list of movies that you liked while high. It is about the movies that have actors acting like they are high.(or are really high)
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
12 Oct 11 UTC
live game
I am tired of shitty live games. Anyone interested in a high quality gunboat tonight?
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fulhamish (4134 D)
12 Oct 11 UTC
''never forget that everything hitler did in germany was legal''
I wonder what people think of the MLK quote?
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
12 Oct 11 UTC
Teen Diplomacy Tournament registration
Post your profile name followed by age if you intend to participate. Post nothing else. This is a list of participants only.
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