Dude, has Bahrain slipped your mind? The Iran-Iraq war which Saudi financed? How do you manage to explain that whole episode?

I doubt this guy was being given orders by Quds Force. But we'll see. I think he's a lone nutter.

Why don't you list for me all of Iran's, Saudi Arabia's, and the US's friends and enemies...just so we are clear? Ok?

Just thinking it's possible for a state to have "friends" betrays your cretinism.

"Santa wins."

What'd he win? I thought we were talking about an Iranian plot to give the US the exact excuse it needed to go to war like it wanted to for years.

I'm still waiting on the list of friends...just so we are all clear. cuz, its all black and white.

"Just thinking it's possible for a state to have "friends" betrays your cretinism."

And that's where you've taken the "friends" comment to derail what common sense tells you. that this plot plays into the US's hands perfectly.

HOW? If America wanted to invade Iran they would have let the Iranian agents blow up that coffee shop in Georgetown, killing the ambassador and God knows who else. You just want there to be an evil American plot so badly that you won't even entertain more reasonable explanations.

Where's my list, Invictus? I just wanna be clear.

US had all the "excuse" it needed. The GCC countries are itching for war, so is Israel. But the US knows that war with Iran undermines everything it has built in the Middle East.

"you won't even entertain more reasonable explanations. "

The reasonable explanation is that the US is lying to start another war...just like they lied about Saddam's nukes to start that war.

how many lies do you need to be told before you start being skeptical in the face of dubious evidence? All you do is lap up what they tell you and ask for more.

There can be no list, you fool. You can't put international relations into neat little categories of who likes who like this is middle school on the world stage.

"But the US knows that war with Iran undermines everything it has built in the Middle East. "

lol...please. Do not paint the US as some moral authority now. They are killing innocents using drones in Pakistan for crying out loud. You think the US cares about undermining the Middle East? If they were so worried about it, they would have cut Israel off long ago.

Iran's friends: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, India
Saudi Arabia's friends: Pakistan, Gulf countries
US's friends: Egypt, Jordan, Israel (somewhat)

I won't be skeptical for the sake of being skeptical. Live in the paranoid world where EVERYTHING the government says is a blatant lie if you want to.

"You can't put international relations into neat little categories of who likes who like this is middle school on the world stage. "

Which is why your harping on instead of dealing with the OP it is retarded. I said I'd take it back. Maybe "friends" was a bit too strong of a word then. Satisfied?

No I don't think the US cares about undermining countries opposed to its interests, it does care about undermining their puppet governments in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm the last person to paint the US as a moral authority.

"undermining their puppet governments"

How do you undermine a puppet government? Seems like an oxymoron to me. Either they are puppets or they aren't.

Because the pro-Iranian militias which keep law and order in Iraq on America's behalf will turn into an anti-American insurgency. War with Iran means Iraq turns into a maelstorm. Karzai is gushingly pro-Iranian, so I doubt the government there will put much effort into doing our bidding if we fight his friend.

You can't be that stupid. He means that by attacking Iran the United States would unmake the progress its achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan. A war with Iran would light the whole Middle East alight and totally shut down oil production in the Persian Gulf. It would mean Hamas and Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel like we've never seen. It could mean the final break of Turkey with the West, and radicalize the Arab Spring into a more explicitly Islamist movement. In short, attacking Iran would be against American interests.

What bewilders me is the extent of complete lack of basic understanding of the politics in this region showcased on this thread. I would expect you guys to be a segment of the US population that should be above average intellectual curiosity on the subject politics (being players of a geopolitical board game). I just can't imagine what the regular Joe believes in that case.

Nothing better than unspecified, generalized complaints.

Turkey I'd put in the US-Egypt-Jordan-Israel bloc, although strains with Israel have moved it towards Saudi Arabia somewhat.

Turkey's in the Turkey bloc. Erdogan is leading a shift in focus from Europe to the old position of Turks as the leaders of Islam. Just look at how Turkey's behaved with the flotillas and how aggressive it is in wanting the illegitimate TRNC to get a share of the new oil and gas reserves off of Cyprus. Turkey's also been hinting at intervention in Syria. This is far from impossible given the history or invading Northern Iraq to go afrer Kurds. Plus the Turkish legislature is the only institution which can bring back the caliphate with little controversy within Islam. If secularists don't get back in power there we could see that happen in the next fifteen years or so. Talk about a mess...

Turkey is hostile to Iran & Syria, for sure. They just agreed to install NATO's ABM system, which doesn't make it any friendlier with Iran. It is still friendly with the US, UK, Egypt, and Jordan though, who don't care much about the Kurd or Cyprus questions.

It's already falling apart...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-12/ex-cia-warns-us-dangerously-wrong-on-iran/3553704?section=world

The former CIA case agent says the attack doesn't appear to have been planned by Iran, and that the US may have got its assessment dangerously wrong.

http://www.woai.com/content/blogs/headlines/story/Friend-Suspect-in-ambassador-plot-no-mastermind/nGPsY4Xq10-PCDbBaGJJlQ.cspx?rss=68

He says he's "no mastermind," and even is a little lazy.

http://www.wptz.com/r/29456285/detail.html

U.S. federal agents interrogated suspect Manssor Arbabsiar for 12 days, a senior counterterrorism official said Tuesday.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Biden-Iran-Must-be-Held-Accountable-131586333.html

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden says an alleged Iranian-backed attempt to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States is an "outrageous act" for which Iran has to be held accountable. Tehran has denied involvement in the case.

Biden told the U.S. television network ABC on Wednesday that "nothing has been taken off the table" regarding the U.S. response to the alleged plot to kill Saudi ambassador Adel al-Jubeir.

"nothing has been taken off the table" is political speak for war.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/PeterKing-Iran-bomb-plot/2011/10/12/id/414073

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Peter King says the Iranian plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia's ambassador and blow up the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington “crossed a red line,” and had it been successful “basically you are talking about an act of war.”

Yep...war is what they want alright.

Peter King is off his rocker.

"He says he's "no mastermind," and even is a little lazy."

That was the guy's friend in Texas, not a case agent.

Peter King doesnt even want war. His grand solution is, to paraphrase, "To move some armies and fleets around to show them we mean business"

No one important is advocating war and war wont happen.

"nothing has been taken off the table"

The Bush and Obama administrations have continually used that phrase with no war being declared.

It doesnt matter, war won't be declared and when it isn't I'll be sure to remind you every time I see your dumb ass post.