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President Eden (2750 D)
12 Sep 11 UTC
Need a sitter again
Same game as before (check Live Games thread). PM for details. It's a good position, but the endgame is going to be tough.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
11 Sep 11 UTC
Eurozone Economic Crisis- What the fuck is the EU doing?
Should the EU be focusing more on balancing budgets and managing debt then bringing down unemployment?
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
12 Sep 11 UTC
Any Mods online
I am suppose to be sitting for someone playing a live game (see thread below), however the password he sent me was incorrect (not sure if there was a typo or soemthign)

what do?
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
03 Sep 11 UTC
Masters games 7 and 8?
When are these games starting?
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lionhearted (503 D)
12 Sep 11 UTC
How do you deal with people who keep fighting you as another player takes SCs and wins?
1st place has 10 SCs, 2nd place had 8, I had 6. 2nd place kept attacking me even as 1st built up to 12, 14, 17 SCs even while I went defensive. 1st place was eating 2nd's centers and 2nd was playing like an idiot.

How do you counter that? I wasn't sure what I could do. The last two turns I went all out desperate attack against 1st place and 2nd didn't even bother and actually grabbed more SCs while I put on a desperate push to stop 1st from winning.
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Pete U (293 D)
11 Sep 11 UTC
New Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=67667

C'mon, you know you want to :)
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
12 Sep 11 UTC
Error in the settings page
http://webdiplomacy.net/usercp.php
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
12 Sep 11 UTC
Gunboat multis
Is it just me, or are you immediately suspicious of newly created anonymous gunboat games with only two people registered? Does that reek of obvious multi?
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King Atom (100 D)
10 Sep 11 UTC
Look!
I know it's common knoweledge not to put metal things in the microwave, but I went ahead and did it...
Anyways, we need a good thread going. Someone turn this into a debate.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Sep 11 UTC
Rodgers/Brees Combine For 750+ YDs Passing As GB Defeats NO 42-34 (NFL Predictions!)
GREAT opening game!
Fun shootout, 76 D scored, two great QBs...and it came down to the final play of the game! (Though, seriously...WHY RUN IT THERE?!)

So, with the Pack beating the Saints--sorry, Eden--the NFL season is underway...picks?
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President Eden (2750 D)
12 Sep 11 UTC
So I just noticed we have some Player of the Year awards...
What's the criteria for being nominated to win and/or winning those awards?
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WardenDresden (239 D(B))
12 Sep 11 UTC
Question about muting
So, I've finally found myself annoyed enough with someone on the forums to mute them; not saying who as that would defeat the point of the mute, and I had a question:
If I'm playing an anon game with someone that I've muted, are they muted in the anon game too, or can they still chat normally in the game?
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joepo12 (100 D)
12 Sep 11 UTC
Live game 'Tribalwars Diplomacy'
We need 3 more players, please join.
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Hugo_Stiglitz (100 D)
06 Sep 11 UTC
Best Genre of Music
We all know that everyone elses' taste in music sucks compared to our own, so use this as a forum to prove that your musical opinion is the correct musical opinion
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ilse10 (443 D)
06 Sep 11 UTC
Quick question about Mods...
I emailed a Mod a few days ago about a Meta gamer, and I haven't heard back. I understand that Mods are all volunteers and have their own lives/games to attend to, but does anyone know about how long it takes to get a response (on average)? Or if I can expect one at all after they've 'investigated'?

On a side note.. has anyone noticed a stark increase in the occurrence of meta/multi gamers the past couple months??
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Ges (292 D)
10 Sep 11 UTC
17:17 -- Myth or Reality?
I have finished 34 games of Classic, I think, and seen exactly one successful 17:17 split. The two-way draw is often dangled as an alliance inducement, but how often does it actually come about?
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
11 Sep 11 UTC
Questions on banned people.
I saw out of chance that there are now icons next to player's names who have been banned,
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jpgredsox (104 D)
11 Sep 11 UTC
stalemate line question
In order for a stalemate line to be maintained, does Munich have to be held by the side defending/setting up the line.
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The Czech (40297 D(S))
11 Sep 11 UTC
GT11 Group B
games 1/3 and 3/3 moved on because someone didn't pause, but they did pause the 2/3 game. Are we proceeding or will the games be canceled?
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
11 Sep 11 UTC
Problems with the maps
Is anyone else having a problem seeing any and all of the maps? I cannot get any map for any game past or present to load. The big map is also failing to load.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
11 Sep 11 UTC
Weird bugs...
The "threads you've posted in" star has gone away and I can see threads started by players I have muted. I think something just went wonky with the JavaScript.
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Yeoman (100 D)
10 Sep 11 UTC
One for the Old Worlders
Hello Fellow Europeans + North Africans and Middle East people

I wonder if any one of you have a tendency to secure your real-life home country? If, for instance you are British in real life and start out as Italy in the game, would you consider sending a fleet to all the way to Britain in the small chance of taking a bite?
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President Eden (2750 D)
11 Sep 11 UTC
Anyone have problems with Chrome freezing on Windows 7 Enterprise?
I've had spontaneous freezing issues with Chrome on Enterprise. I'd been ignoring it because I figured it was temporary issues with whatever site I happened to browse at the time...
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trip (696 D(B))
09 Sep 11 UTC
Dearest Mods,
I fucked up and need 3 tourney games cancelled. There's an email for you with game id's. Thanks for your help, and sorry about taking up your time.

trip
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Geforce (0 DX)
10 Sep 11 UTC
Tournament
I would like to learn such as tournaments, and how I can participate
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Ges (292 D)
09 Sep 11 UTC
The Best Way to Play your Favorite Country
Thanks to jmo, SD, and Diplomat33 for the idea!

Granted, circumstances and diplomatic opportunities shape how things turn out, but what's your favorite/most promising approach with your favorite power?
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
17 Sep 11 UTC
Any mods?
I am not discussing an on going game.
I am not accusing people of cheating.
Just pointing out a very fishy live game: gameID=68110
If there are any mods around, please look at it. Thank you. (Yes, already emailed the mods).
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Scmoo472 (1933 D)
17 Sep 11 UTC
Magical Italy?
Ok, what is up with the last 3 games I have been Italy? They have all be like.. Good. 2 wins and 17 SC draw. Does it like possess some supernatural power or something?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Build Your Dream Nation!
Pick any 5 people from history to be your "Founders" and draft your Constitution.
Pick any 1 President/Monarch/Dictator to rule, elected or by military force (must be a different person than one of your Founders) and a mate of the opposite sex to co-rule with them.
Pick any 3 generals to serve as your Heads of the Armed Forces.
And choose 1 person to be your "Diplomatic Master" to deal with other nations.
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thesafesurfer (0 DX)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Founders

Niccolo Machiavelli
Alexander Hamilton
Ayn Rand
Abraham Lincoln
Albert Einstein

Military Leaders

Alexander the Great
Scipio Africanus
Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck

President
Mahatma Ghandi

First Lady
Cleopatra

Diplomat
Dwight Eisenhower

Founders:
Thomas Jefferson, British-American politician
James Madison, British-American politician
John Locke, British philosopher
Adam Smith, Scottish philosopher
F.A. Hayek, Austrian economist

President/First Lady:
Ron Paul, American Congressman
Carol Paul, American

Military Leaders:
Navy: Horatio Nelson, British admiral
Army: Napoleon Bonaparte, French general
Air Force: Henry H. Arnold, American general

Diplomat-in-Chief:
Otto von Bismarck, German statesman
ulytau (541 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"They were outnumbered, with inferior weapons (Crossbow vs Bow"

Not to denigrate the qualities of the Mongolian war machine (Subutai would be my alternate to al-Walid on the offense) but composite bow is superior to crossbow in pretty much any relevant aspect except user-friendliness.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"Freedom of Expression =/= Freedom of voting."

No offense, Fasces...

But just about ever High Court of every Western Democracy/Republic disagrees with you...

Besides which, LOCKE HIMSELF DISAGREES, as he DOES list voting in his "Second Treatise of Government" as not only a valid form of expression, but the most important form of expression, as the rest are all all means of expression to this end, ie, the selection of rulers and rules in the State men create.

So...

Either you have Locke there and edit his ideas to the point where essentially he's not really Locke anymore, or else you must acknowledge voting=expression if you are, indeed, going to cite him.
ulytau (541 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"Who would WIN if some of these nations went to war?!"

To answer this, we would need a standardized template for the General section. Fasces has a distinct advantage right now!
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
@Eden:

That is a DYNAMITE nation...with the same exception I have for Putin:

Mr. and Mrs. Ron Paul? Really?

I mean, if you want to vote for him in real life, I can get that, I don't really love or hate Paul, I'm indifferent to him, as he's no in a position to win, generally...

But if you could choose ANYONE, it'd be him?

Over the Washingtons and FDRs and Caesars and Elizabeths and all the other incredible, monumental leaders in our 5000 years of recorded history or so?

Just asking... :)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
@ulytau:

I agree, he has too great an advantage...

Let's take him down, ulytau!

Your Eastern dynamos with my Western warriors...he won't stand a chance! XD
ulytau (541 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"Besides which, LOCKE HIMSELF DISAGREES, as he DOES list voting... Either you have Locke there and edit his ideas to the point where essentially he's not really Locke anymore"

I think it's a valid tactic to list a person only for some of his thoughts. After all, we have 5 Founders precisely because the Constitution is supposed to be a collaborative effort. Therefore, we can always assume that only those Locke's ideas Fasces endorses would find their way into the final version, the rest is thrown out since Locke failed to sway other 4 to support them.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
True, but I don't know what exactly those ideas could be if you throw out the *central* one...

After all--remove freedom of expression=freedom of vote, and what's left in Locke?

Not "all men are created equal," as the corrolary to that, their right to protect (ie, via the vote) "life, liberty, and the protection of property"...

Not the "State of Nature" ideal, as that's attributable to many philosophers (if anyone would get the credit for that, it'd probably be Hobbes for being the first to use and popularize the most common form of it) and, indeed, Locke's rationale for getting out of the State of Nature, that things will be better if this happens BECAUSE everyone will be involved in the government, is neutered...

Not Seperation of Powers, for sure, as he has an Oligarchy in place...

Not Freedom of Speech and Assembly, as, again, he allows these as means to his final and ultimate end, Freedom of Vote and the Democratic Distribution of Power, and he's got an oligarchy...

And the Tabular Rasa metaphysics seem useless here, not applicable to a political constitution, not past "all men are created equal," which, again, is rendered useless if they can't all be TREATED equally under the law...



So I just don't see where Locke does much good as a founder without his foundational ideal is all...
ulytau (541 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Regarding the submission of Fasces, Subutai would defect to me since my president is Temüjin, Rommel would overstretch his supply routes and defeat himself as usually and Sun Tzu alone would not stand a chance on the ground. Therefore, Fasces' superior expertise in naval and air matters would come in vain. If I can count on your support, Eisenhower handles these matters with Suvorov as his right hand and we crush him in no time.

Regarding Locke, Fasces said he cherishes his support of free speech so we can assume he would be used as a facade so that the citizens would feel freer despite the fact that they could only talk, not influence anything. Imagine internet discussions. To make sure Locke would not hesitate to play this role because of his personal integrity, other founders would bribe him with rights to copulate with female members of the council...
Darwyn (1601 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"I'm indifferent to him, as he's no in a position to win"

Is that what the media is telling you? I suppose if they repeat it enough, you'll believe it. It is painfully obvious that the media and its handlers have ignored him and decided FOR YOU that he cannot win...and here you are repeating it as if its fact.

How does it make you feel that the media gets to decide who you vote for, obi? The man is killing everyone in the polls. But hey, he can't win because someone told you he can't. And that's good enough for you. *rolls eyes* Pathetic obi. Pathetic.

I agree with Eden. The man's voting record speaks for itself. He's consistent, honest and principled. He is the modern day Thomas Jefferson...sans slaves.
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Founders:

Napoleon Bonaparte
John Stuart Mill
Karl Marx
Freidrich Engels
V. I. Lenin


President:

Josip Broz Tito


Female Co-President:

Alexandra Kollontai


Military Leaders:

Georgy Zhukov (Army)
Hugh Dowding (Air Force)
Chester Nimitz (NavY)


Diplomat:

Otto Von Bismarck
Thucydides (864 D(B))
31 Aug 11 UTC
Founders:

Plato
Confucius
uhhhh I dunno. Locke,
Jesus and Buddha? I dont fucken know 5 is way too many founders.

Marucus Aurelius is the ruler. His co-ruler is Catherine of Russia

Genghis Khan, Belisarius and Alexander the Great will lead my troops. My country is landlocked so dont bug me about navies lol.

And my diplomacy chief is the late great George W. Bush.

But since that was a joke my actual one is Benjamin Franklin
"He is the modern day Thomas Jefferson...sans slaves."

^basically this. RP is as Constitutionalist as the Founding Fathers themselves. Though I should note, for clarification, that I wanted a present-day politician of some description for the head of state. I presume our states would exist in the present-day, and while Washington and Caesar and Elizabeth were monumental historical figures, I suspect they'd struggle (at least initially) with the present state of affairs more than an RP would.

There were some (disputed) greats in the 20th century (FDR and Churchill -- not sold on either of their inherent greatness status, but we'll roll with it), but they're also all philosophically opposed to the Founding Fathers I had. (Just imagine FDR and Hayek in a room trying to decide economic policy. Yeah.)

So I picked a present-day politician that is honest, principled, and philosophically consistent with the group of Founders I put together.

((As for the First Lady -- I admit to caving to trivialities here. I couldn't split them up! Besides, this ain't the 16th century, intermarrying among the ruling class doesn't get you any friends on the international scene anymore.))

More curious, I think, is how Bismarck would handle his diplomatic objectives. There's no doubt that whatever he would set out to accomplish would be done and brilliantly so, but his realpolitik theory might not mix well with Thomas "Trade and good relations with all nations, entangling alliances with none" Jefferson... (though Jefferson himself did dance around this rule to an extent anyway... hmm).
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Love 90% of Jamie's picks. I'd live there.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
I should replace Zetkin with Lascarina Bouboulina.
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Thanks Putin.

Purely out of interest, which of my picks represents the 10% you disagree with?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"that what the media is telling you? I suppose if they repeat it enough, you'll believe it. It is painfully obvious that the media and its handlers have ignored him and decided FOR YOU that he cannot win...and here you are repeating it as if its fact.

How does it make you feel that the media gets to decide who you vote for, obi? The man is killing everyone in the polls. But hey, he can't win because someone told you he can't. And that's good enough for you. *rolls eyes* Pathetic obi. Pathetic."

You know...

This disgusts me.

This "If you don't agree with MY political assessment, then you MUST be blinded by the media and are a pathetic lemming!"

I'm SORRY...

People are allowed to have perfectly-seperate, perfectly-different opinions in this (and any other free) country!

So if I say I don't think Ron Paul can win, then I am entitled to that opinion without some self-righteous big-wig blathering on a la krellin about just how wrong about Ron I am...
Darwyn (1601 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
Obi, my point was that you simply parroted what the media has said without explanation. That disgusts me.

You are entitled to your opinion, but if you can't explain it, I'm entitled to call you out on it.

I won't hold my breath for an intelligent explanation, parrot.

Ron Paul cannot win cuz the media says so. Right Obi?
Darwyn (1601 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"If you don't agree with MY political assessment"

WHERE'S the assessment in "Ron can't win"? See?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"RP is as Constitutionalist as the Founding Fathers themselves."

I'm afraid I don't carefor Constitutionalism, Eden...it's a good document and all, but in choosing a leader, I'd care more about someone's actions and other viewpoints rather than their Constitutional interpretation, especiallyas the man would be checked by two branches if he should step out of line.

In addtion to that...

I wouldn't WANT someone like the Founding Fathers running mynew country, because times and political and ruling philosophies have changed since then...they never DREAMED the USA would be the superpower it now is when they formed the nation, and so many of their ideas--the 1st and 2nd Ammendments come to mind--would almost certainly have been radically different if they founded America/ran America today.

Given the advent of the Internet and Terrorism, we can certainly question just how much freedom of speech they'd allow (which is no knock at them, WE'RE struggling with that same question today with all of these new modes of expression and new demons such as Cyber Terrorism...WE don't have a great answer yet, it's not fair or feasible to think they would.)

And as the 2nd Ammendment was passed in an age when it would've been musket vs. musket or, at most, rifle vs. rifle if the public had "the right to bear arms" and wished to overthrow the government due to opressive regimes, and NOW it'd be rifle vs. M-16 or rifle vs. tank or rifle vs. F-16 with a tank and national guard and police forces in SWAT gear with tear gas...a HUGE reason for the 2nd Ammendment is now obsolete, and while it wouldn't--and shouldn't, no one jump down my throat--be abolished--it WOULD and SHOULD be curtailed or at least defined more (handguns in urban areas and rifles in the country I understand and agree with...once you startgetting to semi-automatic or higher-grade wepons than a standard pistol or rifle, however, THEN I think there's a line being crossed.)

A Thomas Jefferson is, for betteror worse, obsolete in this 21st American superpower.

For that matter, so is an Abe Lincoln--NEVER would've been elected today with our appearance-conscious public.

And so is an FDR...NO WAY the press hides a condition like polio from the public today,and even if THEY did, in an age of cell phone cameras, it's a near certainty it'd have gotten out somehow.



We have yet to find our next truly-great leader after FDR--JFK is loved by the Left and hated by the Right, and the reverse is true of Reagan, and they're probably the best we've had since FDR, but they're still not at his almost-modern-myth level--because we have yetto find out what \the mdoern age NEEDS from its president.

And I just don't think we can find in the future what we need by clinging to the nostalgia of the past.

TJ and Locke were great for their day...but in 2011, it's a different world, and for all we know, they might have seen things just a bit differently,so it seems silly to look for a "new" TJ.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
^
There's my assessment, Darwyn.

Or a large part of it.

Other parts include:

-Lack of media attention (Sorry, but like it or not, in American politics, if you're not a Red or Blue, you tend to get less air-time,and for the common, who is, to dig up H.L. Mencken for the only quote I seem to use from him, "a fool," is NOT going to read up on RP in an age of Blackberries and iPhones and Androids and 24/7 FOX vs. MSNBC vs. CNN news...RP doesn't get as much time as the second-tier candidates of the Big Parties, even, and so is relegated to obscurity inthe minds of most.)

-He's lost before, and carries that stigma (There was a time the US citizenry would've voted in a loser of a previous election; not now, with the huge influx of new candidates ever 4 years and the mdeia speculation fueling it all...fair or not, RP carries the stigma of the Buffalo Bills, ie, the Team/Guy Who Couldn't Win The Big One...and few will vote for that when the media and word of mouth focuses so much on new up-and-comers and big-names making their push...RP would have to do something EXTRAORDINARY to gain the momentum to run in the mainstream consciousness again without that stigma...the only candidate to have lost recently who I could POSSIBLY see running again and winning isn Hillary, for the dual reasons that she'sbeen a pretty publicly-seen and effective Secretary of State--arguably more effective than Obama--and that she's a woman, and so the idea of a First Woman President has a HUGE boost to it.)

-It's A Two-Party System (Well, it's NOT, obviously, but in the minds of many, maybe most common voters, it is...THEY'RE used to Red vs. Blue, very simple, two choicese, pick one; this isn't 1912 where Teddy Roosevelt came within a split party of winning again--how muight THAT have changed things, TR in office at the start of WWI rather than Wilson?!--and no 3rd candidate before or since has comeso close...Perot wasat least somewhat notable, but even then, not nearly enough so to sniff victory.)

-3rd Party Candidate (Again, that carries a stigma that he's not inthe "Big Parties,"and thus he appears to too many asa "fringe" choice, fairly or not)

-War Chest (However rih the man and his donors might be, he cannot out-spend or out-muscle even ONE of the Big Parties, let alone two...and it all, in the end, in war, politics, show business...it all comes back tomoney in a capitalist society, and you needto pay to play--the highest roller doesn't ALWAYS win out, but he doesn't need to be the highest roller, because he has a whole PArty Machinebehind him raising hundreds of millions or billions of dollars.)

-Lack of Name "Sexiness" (Odd way of putting it, but it IS true that msot will be far more likely to vote for a Kennedy--if one was running--or a Palin than a "Joe Smith," or a "Bob Johnson," and so on...fair or not, name brand matters in America, and where Obama's name sparked controversy, it DID catch on...and that controversy,in time, fueled more air-time, and so he got mor attention...and look who won the most modern-media-crazed election in history. "Ron Paul" isn't a name that sounds authorative or Presidential...or even stands out from the pack.)

-Life story (McCain was a war hero, Obama was the first big black candidate...Kennedy a Catholic...Reagan a movie star...what does RP have to compare with that? A leader needs a mythos to get elected today...)
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"Purely out of interest, which of my picks represents the 10% you disagree with?"

I'm not a fan of Mill, and am lukewarm to Napoleon.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
31 Aug 11 UTC
"Either you have Locke there and edit his ideas to the point where essentially he's not really Locke anymore, or else you must acknowledge voting=expression if you are, indeed, going to cite him."
The other 4 of my people are anti-democracy, but only 2 of them are anti-fredom of expression. So I could see the nation being pro-free speech but anti-democracy...

"To answer this, we would need a standardized template for the General section. Fasces has a distinct advantage right now!"
:)

"I agree, he has too great an advantage..."
So you admit that in a war where the only difference between our countries was who was in command, we would win. :)

Even if we didn't, my diplomat would force you into a favourable peace treaty :)

"Regarding the submission of Fasces, Subutai would defect to me since my president is Temüjin, Rommel would overstretch his supply routes and defeat himself as usually and Sun Tzu alone would not stand a chance on the ground. Therefore, Fasces' superior expertise in naval and air matters would come in vain. If I can count on your support, Eisenhower handles these matters with Suvorov as his right hand and we crush him in no time."
I also selected Temujin, he is on the high council.
Rommel wouldn't overstretch his supply lines cause Subutai wouldn't let him.

Subutai alone would defeat anyone else. The strategies he used in his invasion of Europe were so beautiful. And the only reason Europe didn't completely fall under Mongol was because his religion forced him to head back to Mongolia. His full withdrawal lost him all the lands he had conquered.
semck83 (229 D(B))
03 Sep 11 UTC
Thanks for the kind words, obiwan. I forgot to check back because I was busy. Also I accidentally put two leaders -- oops.

Anyway, I do kind of disagree about Locke, though. I think it's arguable that a bigger contribution than his view on voting was his view on individual liberty, as later expressed (say) in the DoI.
iPillage (0 DX)
03 Sep 11 UTC
Founders
-Josip Broz Tito
-Augustus Caesar
-John F. Kennedy
-Emporer Constantine
-Hannibal of Carthage

Military Leaders
-Sun Tzu
-Arminius
-Erwin Rommel

President: F.D.R
First Lady: Eva Peron

Secretary of State: Madeleine Albright
Fasces349 (0 DX)
03 Sep 11 UTC
@iPillage: you are aware that your government would be a dictatorship for sure given the founders?

Also why choose Hannibal, who was more prone as a general then a leader as a founder and Arminius, who was more famous for unifying Manga Germany over strategies as a general?
Genktarov (103 D)
04 Sep 11 UTC
Founders:
St. Augustan
Kong Fu Tzu
Thomas Jefferson
Alexander Hamilton
Montesquieu
Cicero

Military Leaders:
Army: Epaminondas of Thebes
Navy: Thermistocles of Athens
Air Force: James Doolittle
General Attache: Sun Tzu

President: George Washington
First Lady: Elinor Roosevelt

Diplomat: Otto von Bismarck
DJheyzues (100 D)
04 Sep 11 UTC
founders
chathrine the great
lenin
ceaser

leader
stalin
wife
the hottest russian women

genrals
patton
patton
and
patton
DJheyzues (100 D)
04 Sep 11 UTC
oh yea and diplomat patton

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FirstApple (100 D(B))
14 Sep 11 UTC
Un gioco nell'italiano?
Ci sono alcuni qui chi parlono l'italiano per fare un gioco nell'italiano? Me piacerebbe moltissimo partecipare en uno quando finisco con i giochi in che sto adesso.
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