Notice how Yanik just picked ONE demographic to imply America is better.

American Rankings
Inmates #1 baby
Linguistic diversity #115
Education #14
(((National Satisfation #17)))))
(((Healthcare #44)))
Religious Diversity #66

So our poor are wealthier than average European poor....

So what are the cardboard boxes for their homeless not as nice as ours?

@brainbomb

you're now conflating FORCE and OPINION

Tomi (not a human i like) is saying that Kap should leave if he really believes there's a system of white people (being run by a black president... while he lives in a democrat controlled state) trying to hurt people of his skin color.

she is not FORCING him to leave.

THAt would be suppression of rights.




don't you understand how much your argument fails to hold together? if what you're saying is true and Kapernick's rights are being attacked, why didn't in California courts (MUCH more left-wing) any kind of complaint about Tomi get filed? it's because it's not illegal, and it's not even fucking immoral

@brianbomb

no, there are across the board better income, employment and myriad of other important factors.

and that "one demographic" that was all median incomes. MEDIAN incomes at that, so there's no upper end outliers affecting things.

and if you don't think MONEY (ppp) is important... only people who have never had money believe that sort of idiocy.

and by the way, the OECD factored in single payer healthcare into their analysis.


or.... is the OECD now a right wing organization? go ahead, go for the low shot

*never had to worry about money*

"Muting ppl is awesome."

And then said by the same person protesting something they don't agree with.

"Silencing someones freedom of speech/right to protest is antithetical to the notion of freedom. It encourages a country full of people who are blind loyalists"

Exposed as a complete idiot and fraud.

This clown only wants to hear exactly what he agrees with and ban anything he doesn't agree with and then will be the first person to condemn anyone who does exactly that.

What a clown.

If I say I support your right to be bi

And then say if you have a problem with getting rid of gay marriage you should leave the country and go somewhere else.

Then I dont support your beliefs
I dont actually support your rights whatsoever
In fact I actively am hoping youll leave the country and revoke the very rights I just claimed I support.

Id actually rather CHAMPION your DEPARTURE from America than I would stand up for your rights.

Republicans do this all the time. "I support blah blah blah" lets be real. Thats an empty platitude people say to sound accepting if you supported equal righrs youd be fighting for them. If you SUPPORTED the right to protest there would be no additional opinion necessary other than stating why their protest was and why - and why you think the protest was INVALID. If you have to explain it so to the point of saying they need to leave the country you in no way actually give two shits-a fuck-a donkey about them or what their rights are. Youre encouraging a rapid way for them to have zero rights.

Money is important but cost of living/cost of food/cost of housing/access to a plethora of things are seldom accounted for. You pay higher taxes in some of europe. But you also dont have sprawling dumb suburbs. People dont need cars as badly. People actually get services for their taxes paid besides drone strikes in yemen.

Yea great lets build some more fighter jets too. Didnt we just drop 80 billion on military the other day. This place is moronic.

"If I say I support your right to be bi

And then say if you have a problem with getting rid of gay marriage you should leave the country and go somewhere else.

Then I dont support your beliefs"

If I say I support free speech and then mute anyone who is smarter than I am who doesn't have the same beliefs as I do, then I am the biggest fraud and hypocrite on the internet.

The fact we have a shit stain of a President calling white supremecists fine people - but thinks people who dont stand during the national anthem are sons of botches who should be chastised, fired, ridiculed - is pathetic.

@brainbomb

"Money is important but cost of living/cost of food/cost of housing/access to a plethora of things are seldom accounted for."

umm... leveled purchasing power parity

did you even READ the OECD data?


"People actually get services for their taxes paid besides drone strikes in yemen."

that's because we're practically the world's police covering a large part of other countries' defense budgets... but it's a small government position to dismantle military bases in europe.



name one mainstream conservative who wanted to take away Kapernick's right to protest

name one mainstream conservative who wanted to forcefully expel Kapernick


yeah. you have NOTHING brain. he has his rights. nobody was violating his rights. maybe they were "championing" him to leave if he thought things were so bad, but that's arguably less bad than Kapernick pretending there is a massive white supremacist movement in america

the southern poverty law center says that there are like 8000 maximum KKK members.

there are less than a thousand police shootings every year, much fewer who are unarmed, even fewer who are black, bringing that tally to around 90.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-people-killed-by-police-america_us_577da633e4b0c590f7e7fb17

and that's EXCLUDING escalation of force, like Michael Brown who assaulted a police officer, bashed his face in, tried to grab his gun, and was shot in the process.


but for sake of argument, 90 EVIL police killings of blacks.

there are 13 million black people in the USA. for 365 days a year, this SYSTEM OF WHITE OPPRESSION kills... 90? that's .006% mortally rate over a YEAR.

let's not forget that black men are more likely to shoot police than police are likely to shoot unarmed black men.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/02/08/black-and-unarmed-behind-the-numbers#.Q7oNSdUOj


so yeah, why aren't you upset about the Defamation of police by Kapernick? isn't he "suppressing" their rights by demanding that massive reform be done to a 99.992..% innocent police base (ASSUMING all of those 90 were racism, not accidents of racism like the black man who was shot through a wall in his house in new york while police fired at a suspect)

it seems like a double standard

KB - white racism is heads and tails more extreme than other racism and it needs to be dealt with much more severely than other racism, even if all racism bad.

side note - the childish way you talk to and insult everyone - surprised the site still allows you and your ilk around here. Even if I disagree with Yanik - at least he's respectful and intelligent the way he talks.

"The fact we have a shit stain of a President calling white supremecists fine people"

stop lying, he denounced them

i hate trump too, but stop lying


"but thinks people who dont stand during the national anthem are sons of botches who should be chastised, fired, ridiculed - is pathetic."

Trump never said kapernick MUST be fired. stop strawmanning.

As an Asian, I've found blacks, Hispanics, and yes Asians to be much more "racist" than whites. In fact, there is even no concept of racism in China. It's just the norm and a fact of life.

Racism is a white-invented social construct. Without whites, no one would see pride in one's own race as anything other than normal.

white racism is definitely a more active force in america i can agree with that @bladerunners. but i just find that the general conversation surrounding racism in america generally ends up in.... well, generalizations.


as for racism on a widespread level... @brainbomb you attack cancer with surgical precision, not declaring a state of systemic racism and feeling accomplished. these things need precision, and i personally think are best dealt with on a case to case basis

that's why Kapernick's protest got such a bad reception. yeah, it was his right to protest. but i sit outside a mcdonald's and protest the 2008 financial crisis... people can call my protest ungrounded and stupid all they like too.

@leon1122

"Racism is a white-invented social construct. Without whites, no one would see pride in one's own race as anything other than normal."

1. it's not "white-invented" it was originally ethnic. the british discriminated against the irish, the polish against the russians then russians against polish, the pakistanis and indians, and yes, "white" against black.


2. pride in one's own race has been the hallmark of all culturally led governments from about 1900 to the beginning of civilization. german pride in the late 19th century, belgian supremacy in africa, islamic civilizations against the europeans in charlemagne's era

it's a pretty human condition

name one mainstream conservative who wanted to take away Kapernick's right to protest

name one mainstream conservative who wanted to forcefully expel Kapernick


Every single one of them from the most moderate to most red secretly wants him gine-silenced-dead. They hate him. They hate everyone who dislikes anything at all about america. Theyre deeply entrenched in lunacy and would love to deport anyone dissatisfied with America. Hell they even want people who LOVE america gone: mexicans

well i guess that pretty much closes out this thread. i'm going to go eat dinner and secretly want all leftists dead.

b-byee

@yanik

Explain this in the absence of a racist criminal justice system
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html

In all 50 States, blacks are overrepresented disproportiinately in Prisons and Jails

“KB - white racism is heads and tails more extreme than other racism and it needs to be dealt with much more severely than other racism, even if all racism bad.

side note - the childish way you talk to and insult everyone - surprised the site still allows you and your ilk around here. Even if I disagree with Yanik - at least he's respectful and intelligent the way he talks.”

So pointing out accurately and factually that racism is bad everywhere is unintelligent and should be banned???

LOL!!!!

What an intelligent response.

Koreans and maybe other Asians, but Koreans I have experience with are EASILY the most racist people I have encountered in my extensive travels across this planet. They are the worst, and it is not even close

@leon - nothing wrong at all in being proud of one's own country/race/culture/religion/ etc and etc .... but overt hatred and bigotry against another race/culture/religion etc is just evil and disgusting.

Ooh. Quoting rasumussen. What's next, Pravda?

And why should Kaepernick have to leave the US to the racists? Far far better to deport the racists. Duh.

And actually, Yanik's data are wrong (surprised?)


If we're talking about the POOR we should look at poverty rates. Germany and Sweden have lower poverty rates than ANY US state. the US has a poverty rate around 14%, while states like Mississippi have rates as high as a 22.6% poverty rate, while Germany and Sweden come in below 10%. And here is the kicker the poverty threshold in Germany comes in at around $19,155, compared to the federal poverty rate of $12,000. So, even with a VERY low standard for what constitutes poverty under US standards, the US still has around 50% more poor people that fall below it. In fact, that $12,000 number would qualify you as being in "severe poverty" in Germany. Germany's "severe poverty rate" is under 2%.

So, yeah, actually, America's poor are poorer than Germany's, and by a LOT

Thought i respected Yanik until the comment - i secretly want to kill all leftists. yes, that helps promote understanding and respect.

I wanna also point out that yanik has chosen police killing black men as an example of why there isnt systemic racism in law enforcement.

Even though incidents of African Americans being pulled over is disproportiinately higher in every state.
Incidents of Black men being imprisoned is disproportiinately higher as well.

So basically yanik took the most salicious and contentious peice of evidence for racism and he pretty much white washed all other pertinent examples to present the black community that feels targeted and suppressed as actually just being a bunch of angry fools with no cause for their plight.

Brilliant. Some seriously weak arguments there.

@Ogion

in Germany the poverty rate is 15.7% as of 2015

http://www.dw.com/en/german-poverty-rising-despite-economic-growth/a-37787327

please source your data

secondly, please look at the graph labeled "Poverty Levels Median Income in $ (60% of income)

https://mises.org/blog/poor-us-are-richer-middle-class-much-europe

our purchasing power is much greater. interesting. so how do we reconcile your data and mine? there are more people in poverty in the USA, but the people in poverty have considerably more money than in europe.

compare our poverty level income to the median income of other countries, our poverty level income is JUST behind France and Germany's MEDIAN income.



@Brainbomb

you've only shown me a statistical discrepancy. Why are there more black people in prison? here's a quick hint: on average, they commit more crimes. Now before you call me racist, let me back that up real quick.

the number of crimes reported follow close in hand with the number of crime arrests, for homicide, rape, and a series of other crimes. this is true for black populations, white populations, and hispanic populations

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-offense

so... what does this mean? Well, in cities where homicide rates are high, if a murder is reported and the suspect is said to be black, this happens just as often as the number of times a murderer is arrested as black.

so for your claim of "systemic racism" to be true in the justice department, then we would expect to find crime reports (filled out by all races) to be different from crime arrests, showing the police are profiling.

But instead, the numbers are quite consistent.

So, is the systemic racism in America, black people reporting that blacks commit crimes? Another statistic that also goes out the window in these talks is that very fact, in black communities, it's often local residents calling in the crime (duh).

Another statistic is that most police in heavily black communities tend to be black. communities, hire from within the community, duh. thus the proportional populations are seen in arrests.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1540-6210.2008.00905.x/full

this is a hilarious study claiming that black officers racially profile black men more often. what the study doesn't consider? the data behind reporting, ACTAUL crime rates, AND the fact that black officers tend to police high-black areas more often, because: that's how geography works when you police your local community.


so yes, i can explain some vague statistics Brain.