Lets just do some live chatting, forget this long wall post nonsense.

youre wrong, drop it. We need the competent town alive to sort it in the 3 and 5 way. Get rid of the lurker scum, sort the remaining information to catch the last one.

Thats the only way to win. You know im right.

LET GO of your suspicions.

And if I cannot convince the townclears/important players that im town, go ahead and lynch me I guess. Better to do it now than later on when its critical.

But dont expect to see a scumflip, because you wont get one.

Change your mind completely, and convince me that you have.

GM NOTE

Y'all have 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Reedeer1 needs to vote or he will be modkilled. There will be no more subs.

You changed your mind quickly on that group. I’m not talking about you changing your mind on ghug when he was outed day 3. Your first vote on day 2 was ghug. And then you thought brainbomb was scum and voted him next. The vote after brain was bo, and you’re now claiming you were scumreading bo because brainbomb was obvious town? What happened to your brain read? That doesn’t make much sense to me and can’t follow a town thought pattern. The quick changes like this is what I’m talking about. That doesn’t make much sense to me.
Also, you say I was hard pushing Spirit that day? I pretty much instantly changed my mind when he finally started posting, and you said I was locktown because you had the same thought as me. If you remembered the reason you hard town read me, you wouldn’t say I was pushing for a spirit lynch that day. This brings back the point where you seem to be forgetting the past quite a bit.
Also I don’t understand your point about how not counterclaiming bo, and then not being roleblocked is weird. I wasn’t roleblocked probably because I was smart and pretended to temporarily have second thoughts before hard pushing it.

Flum, let me ask you this

Do you think I would ever be wrong about details as scum? Or do you think I would be meticulous and flawless?

You know that a town thought process is chaotic and all over the place. As scum you come up with a story, a timeline, and you stick to it.

Yes, fuck it, I dont even remember how it went anymore. Live in the moment, try to fuck with what you see. That is how it goes as town. WHY are you not recognizing it?

Forgetting why you scumread someone is a pretty big thing to forget Vecna.
Why did you scumread bo then?

Like, I hope you realize I want you to be town. When I thought you were town I had you as one of the only town players I trusted. (Ghug was the other one at the time lol)
I want to be convinced.

Its a tone thing Flum. He *(Bo) wasnt even trying to read Brainbomb. He was just tunneling him to appear busy. His arguments didnt give a strong indication of actually trying to gauge alignment, he just wanted to "win" the fight. Either way, its something im trying to recall from 2 weeks ago, and to be fair, most of my play the last bunch of weeks has been relatively alcohol influenced.

And yes, im actually trying to use this to get a better read on you, since youre finally getting down and dirty with it.

Dont try to just win this argument, but read me properly.

And im flattered that you think so highly of my scumgame, but this concious "state of mind, let it flow" type of posting is something im utterly incapable of as scum. You can go ahead and check my scumgames on mafia-scum if you have to, but its the truth.

(as in, you wont find any, or only very little, long-winded posts where I try to describe my thought-patterns, and why I think something about someone).

that's actually not a bad idea. Can you link me your most recent scum games on mafiascum?

Also, forgetting why you scumread someone at a certain point in time, when every person is like a scale that balances left and right isnt a big thing at all. Its how I operate when I take a game seriously.

The logical 1+1 = 2 approach is gonna lead you in the wrong direction with me when im town. Its why im most often scumread as town, and townread as scum. The fact im actually doing a decent job again getting townread here is a good sign I guess

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70762

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=69418 <- my best performance

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73187 <- most recent

And if you're town I'm flattered you think I'd potentially be this good at scum, and that scum like ghug would be okay with me being so arrogant to bus the entire mafia team at the start to hopefully win it at the end.

What was your interpretation of Chaqa's approach to the Byron wagon. Do you remember that?

Actually, can you link me to some town games on mafiascum too? I'd look for them myself but the filter system is annoying.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73801&user_select%5B%5D=28102&start=200

most recent iso

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71471

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70998

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70415 <- crushing hard defeat, really epic game

Also, I dont read chaqa based on his few posts on the byron wagon.

what rubbed me the wrong way there was that I remember full well how he lurked in the same way in a game he was scum.....

+

The fact he comes back, and then did that extremely super-ficial vote-analysis almost looking like it was meant to show us he was really trying.

Either way, theres nothing there that he couldnt fake as scum, or thats enough for me to townread.

juggling work, this game, and another internet game with a deadline coming up. Will try to skim through them. Your town games and scum games all look different from you this game so far lol.

Vecna, do you think dargorygel is really scum? I lost my scumread on chaqa because him leaving the game due to inactivity points to him just being a disinterested towny, not scum. Scum would be excited and doing whatever they can right now with the last two remaining and us seeming confused enough that they could still pull out a win.

I'm willing to vote for fox, guak, vash or bozo, but bozo is probably the one I want to lynch less because his posts lately have seemed very towny. He's still pushing flum even though he has a counter wagon forming on you vec, and you're his 2nd biggest scum read. Flimsy principle for a scum to die on.

Let's just do a lynch we can all dance to, ##vote guak

Guak, even when lurking is much more involved and helpful when he is around as town. He isn't being as obvious as he's been before as scum, but dude isn't making arguments. Flum and I had to force him to even give and explanation on his vecna read and even then he just told us to go look at his vote record (which is generally good, because his shot of HR is the only real case against him and most people (so town included) wanted that at the time))

##vote Guak

id sure love to get rid of him. And no, spirit, im not certain of any of the lurkers, because.....theyre lurkers. Any of the little ammount of posts they have done can EASILY be done by scum. Chaqa loosing interest in a game that seems almost lost to him (mind you, he hasnt even read the game, but only knows that town lynched his teammates in 4 consecutive days - why would he be interested in a game like that?)

Anyways flum, the difference is probably due to deadline mechanics and how u actually have to push wagons on mafiascum. Im not asking you to do a deep analysis. But at least give me the benefit of the doubt.

If theres any take-away from those games, its that I nearly always carry the townteam to victory if given the chance and people dont get in my way to block me at every opportunity.

we could always just lynch bozo and get me my medkit

just a thought. we don't have to, per se.

Guak as town can be just as much as a dick as he's being in this game though, and ive seen first hand that even while being a lurking scum-sack he can fake being usefull in just a little ammount of posts.

I dont care which of the lurkers we lynch, but if im being honest......Guak is probably the least likely to flip scum of the 3.

Either way, ill do whatever it takes to lynch any of the three.

VOTE COUNT 6.5

Vecna (3) - Guak, Fluminator, snowy801
Bozotheclown (2) - TrPrado, dargorygel
Fluminator (1) - Bozotheclown
Guak (2) - Spirit, Vecna
Reedeer1 (1) - Foxcastle

Currently VECNA is set to be lynched.

You have 94 minutes. Reedeer1 needs to vote.

Snowy, did I at least convince you that im town?

Ill lynch Bozo over myself though, obviously. But him trying to target the people he just mentioned in his last posts doesnt seem extremely scum-motivated, while either me or 3 lurkers are on the easy chopping block.

Wifom, sure, but....

Oh, I thought you bankrupted the casino already snowy. Yeah, let's give us a chance of doc saving someone. ##vote bozo, sorry old boy, but saving a confirmed towny is too good of a reason to not vote for my least scum seeming scumread.

Very odd play by bozo if he is scum to target flum and other very widely town read folks. Dunno, doesn't seem like good scum play to me, but it is better than vecna, and we get a medkit out of it.