@dargorygel: If you pay attention to what the confirmed scum were doing D1, you will see that it does not make sense for me to have bussed CB in the way you suspect.

It doesn’t make sense for them to advocate the CB lynch either lmao

@Vecna: I was confident Chaqa was town before not voting D5, and failing to submit a vote seems unlikely for one of the two remaining scum, so I highly doubt dargorygel is scum.

@TrPrado: Who are you referring to?

##Vote Reedeer

Lurking is shirking, and I think Reedeer is the lurkiest. That's not exactly an indictment as scum, but it's giving cover to any other scum that might be lurking. Guak and Dargorygel are also on this list, but Guak has at least posted more recently, and I want to give Dargorygel a chance to speak up since he's a new replacement.

Flum and Snowy are confirmed town, as far as I'm concerned. I think someone speculated that Flum is fakeclaiming tracker, but... that seem almost silly. At this point, if Flum isn't tracker, he's just set himself up to be killed later on, and I think scum would be smarter than to paint themselves in a corner like that.

Vecna seems town to me. I think someone said Vecna was one of the most experienced players, and so could be deep cover scum, but I don't see that. Vash and TrPrado also seem town to me.

I'm not sure about the Bozo case, I will try to reread that. I'm not sure about Spirit, whom I scumread early on, but that's outdated now.

Sorry Vecna, hard to find time lately. Should have considered this could have gone over Christmas. You can call someone incompetent for scumreading you, but you know very well there's a good case on you, so I don't know why you're trying to pretend you're write-off town who shouldn't even be considered and it only makes me more paranoid.

The main reason I was town reading you for most of the game was because I thought you were having similar reads to me, but then I realized you're always having those reads after other people have them. Subtly sheeping other opinions by saying "I have the same read, they're more likely town now" is pretty genius tbh and not something I've seen happen the other way yet where I have reads that agree with yours first.

And also, I have active townreads on almost everyone else in the game, so it's not like I'm letting the lurkers go. (although if reedeer doesn't post again, we might have to kill him so if he's modkilled we don't have an even number of people at day).

Your voting history has been pretty off, and that's always the trump reason for me at this stage of the game. Day 3 onward especially where you were trying to swing the votes of ghug and demon felt suspicious.
You've been playing a pretty buddy heavy game at the same time,
Your reads have been all over the first few days, and how quickly they change doesn't seem very natural. For the first few days, you rarely seemed to consider the past (which is townie) and was only getting reads based off the present (a lot easier to do as scum).

One of the more blatant examples of this was your long post where you said you didn't want to vote any of these for awhile
"-Brainbomb
-Me [Vecna]
-Damian
-​Flum
-Tom bombadill
-Yavu
-Ghug
-Maybe Bo"
And then your next votes on day 2 you vote, ghug, brain, then bo. There are a few examples where your reads change too fast for my liking.

And now you're super confident it's in the chaqa/guak/reedeer group and pushing for people to not even consider anyone outside of that group. Don't you have any "doubt" in that plan?

You can say shooting HR was townie all you want (and the target was certainly a good target) but the way you did it to ruin conversation still was something that hurt the town, so I have to consider there was something different at play.

Byron's intereactions with you consisted of him asking for your read on rdrivera and then voting for him. Don't see that as alignment indicative.
Ghug having a bizarre scumread on you also doesn't make me think you're town either. It's null.

I mean, if I'm wrong so be it. But this scumread is fully justified. If you have time to respond, keep it strictly reason related, and not emotional appeals please, because that only makes me more paranoid of you.

bozo:

DO and bo specifically were both advocating that wagon, and Demon was about as emphatic as you were.

@TrPrado: DO ended the day on damian and bo was on damian 3 minute before EOD.

@Foxcastle: Why would Fluminator be setting himself up by fake claiming tracker, if everyone believes his claim?

And you have your own sketchy context for being on CB. You probably got yelled at in the QT, but you're not exempt from your own sketchy actions.

@Bozo, assuming that scum are fakclaiming the tracker role (which I do not think is the case, to be clear), as the pool of players gets smaller, won't it become more suspicious that the tracker's reads are consistently missing targets, and that scum haven't NK'ed the tracker? At this point, though, with two scum, it's probably hard to get a successful track anyway, since even if Flum tracks scum, he has to manage to guess to track the right scum...

@Prado, same bet I made with Vash.
I don't see bozo surviving today, so if bozo is town, then you heavily look into Vecna. If he's scum, I sheep you for your next vote if I'm still around.

Also, for the record Fox, you're still scum in my eyes. Don't think your random insult of my play made me town read you. I'm just targeting Vecna first because I think he'll be my easier scumread to lynch.

##vote vecna then I suppose

it always did bother me how you shot HR.

I'm not sure why insulting you would make you townread me, but... Thanks for the update.

VOTE COUNT 6.5

Vecna (3) - Guak, Fluminator, snowy801
Bozotheclown (2) - TrPrado, dargorygel
Fluminator (1) - Bozotheclown
Dargorygel (1) - Vecna
Reedeer1 (1) - Foxcastle

Currently VECNA is set to be lynched.

You have 4 hours and 5 minutes left.

Flum:

I'll take that bet, but I'm less certain that his flip will be today.

@Fox, scum don't care about reads of people they plan to kill soon ;)

@bozo... It was D1. If your early plan was to bus wildly (also known as the HR plan...) it doesn't matter what confirmed scum did. Perhaps you changed your plan because we were beating scum, or perhaps you changed your plan because the QT persuaded you. I still see it as an option. Why might the actions of the other scum on D1 mean you weren't bussing?
Still waiting on reedeer's reads...
@Flum... ok, this is not an accusation, really. But I note two things that I'm interested in hearing from you about... first, you are doing a fair bit of 'defending' this game. Can you see where that might seem scummy to me? Defending someone who ends up town gives you town cred. And if you are scum, you would know who to safely defend... and second, the 'vote trading' seems odd to me. However, it ALSO could lead to town cred. You could be setting up a situation where you are getting town cred, without taking any risk because of what you know.

There's two things you have to do in this game darg. Figure out who scum is, and get the people you want lynched.
I find my scum read and lock on, and then try to get them lynched. Sometimes they change my mind (like Spirit or Vash did) sometimes they don't (Fox and Vecna haven't). Until they don't I try to get them lynched. Sometimes I'm right (bo, ghug, and demon) sometimes I'm wrong (HR and Uber).
If I don't defend the people I'm townreading though, then it decreases the chances of getting my scumreads lynched.
Prado and Vash are very strong town reads and they were/are both caught up in a different tunnel. This deal makes it a win/win for me where we either lynch scum or I finally get them to focus on what I find suspicious.

@dargorygel: It may be possible, but I would not bus CB while all of my teammates were trying to save him.

Who else do you suspect is scum?

@TrPrado: If I get lynched and flip town, who would be your top two scum reads?

Also bozo, you do realize that if I'm actually the tracker, scum are probably going to kill me tonight or tomorrow right?

@Fluminator: That would certainly prove me wrong.

Flum, saying my reads came after others is nonsense for a large part of it. Ive been townreading Snowy and Spirit as the very first, and I defended that read, and them at every turn. Because I was certain of my reads.

That list of players that I said we shouldnt lynch; Yes, I townread them. Notice how there was like 7 town and 2 scum on there, so whatever, it was still a valid post. Saying I changed my mind quickly on them? What? I changed my mind on BO the next day, because all he did the entire game was scumread Brainbomb, who was SUPER OBVIOUS town. I changed my mind on DO and GHUG being possible scum on day3. Thats 76 hours later, 1,5 gamephases, with like 60 pages of content. Your argument is horse-shit.

Yes, I felt there were better lynches than Ghug and DO on day3. I still protected Spirit from the lynch that day, one YOU were pushing hard that day. If it wasnt for me, public opinion probably wouldnt shifted towards lynching spirit, but I hard defended the slot. So what If I didnt think Ghug was scummy? He played well. He pushed me in the same retarded manner he always does as town. So I townread it. You know I meta-read people a lot. So does Ghug, and he used it against me. More reasons why you should know this wagon on me is crap.

Also, im not pushing for people to not lynch outside of the lurker group. Im stating _MY REASONS_ for wanting to lynch in that group. And yes, im townreading nearly everyone outside of that group. My weakest townread outside of that group is Bozo, but this wagon today is like 90% gonna be town vs town, so congratulations on that.

The thing that rubs me the wrong way, is that you find these really weak and far-fetched reasons to scumread me. You know full well, the same as I do, that players like Chaqa and Guak cannot play a long game like this as scum. Their play is actually what fits flawlessly with their scum meta.

Ive explained why I shot HR, and why I did it at that time. You ignore the fact that _EVERYONE_ was calling for waiting to lynch Ghug untill the gun was shot. I didnt wanna hold shit up, and I was certain HR was gonna flip scum, so I shot the gun.

In my mind, the game was pretty much over.

So ive been wrong at a bunch of moments. So I took a gut-shot trying to be a hero. Big fucking whoop. It doesnt mean shit, and it doesnt weigh anywhere near on the scum-scale of my pro-town actions, and you should fully well know that if you reread me.

Ill hold you a mirror, just for the sake of it:

You were pushing Bo, but then unvoted later on at a convenient moment, only to revote there when the wagon kept on him.

You tried to push Spirit on day3, while it was obvious it was gonna be him or DO.

You had a no-track on Yavuz, yet you didnt say shit about us pushing there. You pushed uber as well, which was a pretty bad wagon.

You've been the tracker, but you havent had a single useful result in 5 nights. You didnt speak up when Bo claimed, nothing to even indicate that you knew he was fake. Correct me if im wrong, I didnt read back, but I dont remember shit along those lines. Somehow you didnt get roleblocked, and as the most important PR youre still alive.

Youre now pushing me, and have been for the last 2 days, half-assed, even though you should KNOW its easy to sort me if im alive at a certain point. If im alive in lylo im an auto-lynch, and the same goes for a number of people. The only motivation there is a scum motivation, since you might know ill be suspicious of you if youre still alive in 2 days.

See, I can also wifom a bunch of crap arguments together to make you look bad. Does it mean I think youre scum? Or do I let my logic prevail?

Stop fucking bullshitting

Also snowy, im really disappointed in your vote. I wouldve thought better from you.

I can somewhat grasp Flum's suspicions. Im used to Guaks crap (and he's probably scum knowing he'll have to lynch me to have any shot at winning).

I dont get your vote one bit though.

Now, im gonna play a more interesting game untill deadline.

If you suckers do end up wagoning me, DONT FUCKING DARE to let flum live to lylo.

He's dead by a scumshot in the next 2 nights, he got a guilty (and even then you remain suspicious as fuck), or he is the default auto lynch.

Yes flum, obviously I have my suspicions elsewhere. Is it constructive? No. Because there is scum in the three lurkers, and that cowardly shit tactic needs to be punished.

As a final statement;

Notice how EVERY dead towny, was hard-townreading me.

And most of them have been way more on-point than any would-be voter of my wagon at this point.

Response please flum, I see youre online.