@HR I think it's quite possible a scum RD would assume we'd never lynch someone once they were scanned, so he might have been more willing to lie about it.

@Ezio

The problem with that is that at the time it was eminently plausible there was a CCTV Operator or a Role Investigator in play; not to mention there actually being a Developer. There's plenty of ways arj could've been caught; and if you fake an innocent on your partner that won't stand up; then you obviously go down with them if they're caught. That's extremely risky - particularly for the hooker that was so critical to the scum tema.

Would any other role bother to investigate arj though? I don't think scum would expect any other power roles to also investigate arj if there was already an oracle scan on him.

Eh I guess that's fair because RD was hooker.

We definitely should stop treating arj as a clear. He did shoot maniac when I asked for xorxes :p

Sorry for not being online at EOD but looks like it didn't matter :D nice call guys! I'll be looking heavily into rds interactions tomorrow - scum would have protected him heavily, especially in his last few days.

Hey all, glad everything worked out with RD and sorry I couldn't be there for EoD.

I know RD flipping scum may lead some people to think I'm scum, but I can assure you all in VT. Also as some have mentioned earlier, there would have been no reason for RD to lie about the scan at that moment in time.

Will post more tomorrow.

So, I've read what I missed (at least to the extend that I know the general situation) and have slept at least the amount so I have no real mental penalty, this now here is from the last part of the day:

people who voted extend:
"goddess", Ezio, rd, RHK, Tom
people who posted but didn't go on extend:
arj (votes rd), teacon (votes rd), HR (thinks its unfair to extend)
(movement dies since GM's said vote has to be unanimous)

teacon pointing out that I haven't been online for a longer time

people then going on end votes (Flum's idea, starting ½ hour before EoD, HR already on end):
teacon, Ezio, "goddess", Flum

I get here in time to not getting mod-killed.

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people being active in the time period (counting from "goddess" posts about 3 hours before EoD, where she first mentions concerns about my whereabouts):
"goddess", rd, Flum, Tom, Ezio, RHK, HR, (Jamie), arj, (Chaqa), teacon

->
people still in the game not having posted anything in that time:
myself, dargorygel, DeathLlama8

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I think the votes from arj and teacon on rd aren't saying anything really conclusive, rd was about to getting lynched anyway, too many people had piled on them, so scum could've also just piled on them to not be too obvious. Town also would've voted with HR in that case though, so that alone isn't telling.

people who voted extend + end: Ezio and "goddess" - I think that is a good sign for Ezio being actually town, he genuinly wanted to save a clear town from being modkilled. He didn't hesitate to vote in both cases without a second thought (especially with the hooker being end voted). Sure, it could be all a savy plan to appear as town and I don't say he is cleared by doing that in the past, but I think he looks very good in this light.

Questions I have:
@RHK: why did you vote to extend but not to end?

@Tom: you throw in the question "If rd is really town, shouldn't he end vote himself to save Kaka? That would be in the best interest of town." but you don't vote end yourself. Tell us why please.

@arj: you only voted rd and then there was nothing from you, tell us why please.

@Flum: Why didn't you vote for extend the phase, even when you came out with the end solution err I mean idea?

@teacon: you didn't vote extend, even when you pointed out that I haven't been online for a longer time, but you were the first to vote end. Tell us why you did that please.

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Final Day 6 Vote Count

rdrivera2005 (8) - Hellenic Riot (END), Fluminator, Tom Bombadil, Ezio, arj11, teacon7, DemonOverlord, Kakarroto
teacon7 (3) dargorygel, rdrivera2005 DemonRHK
Ezio (1) - DeathLlama8

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@everyone: do you think that every member of mafia have voted away from their hooker? Dargo and DL8 haven't posted anything in the last part of the game, it is possible that both of them had rl problems like myself. On the other hand, would any scum not bus rd at that time so they would have a chance to slip through the truth?

@kak: I didn't vote end because I wanted to give rdrivera a chance to vote end on himself if he really was town. I wanted to see how he reacted first, and I knew I was going to be on through the eod, so I had plenty of time to vote end after he did or did not. (Plus I wasn't exactly sure how end worked so I had to go reread).

Mhm, I see. What do you think about the four people (3 living) that weren't on rd at the final vote?

I was not on at EoD... but i am not sure I would have switched, anyway. I believe Teacon is scum. And my vote would not have made any difference in the Rdr train. If it got closer and might have tied, who knows?

Well I think RHK is scum. The fact that he came on, didn't follow the clears and voted teacon sure makes it look like he was protecting rdrivera.

I already thought darg was scum, so this certainly doesn't make him look any townier. Though it doesn't look like he was on when HR requested us to follow onto rd, so I don't want to jump to any conclusions.

I don't know how much there is to read on DL8. Ending on Ezio was weird. He wasn't active after HR requested we move to rd. I like that he questioned quite a few people, including rd, but I don't like that he wasn't on to make a meaningful vote. He may have avoided participating once HR said to move on rdrivera to avoid any connections.

Who here thinks Rd literally gave us the scum team before he died. I think RHK and teacon are confirmed scum, I was leaning towards darg before but would Rd really do that?

If anything my scum read of darg may have wavered ever so slightly because he posted: " I think the Scum team includes Teacon, Rdriviera, and Ezio. I am suspicious of HR and Flum. I think one of them is scum."

I don't think scum would do that to their hooker right as he is being questioned by HR.

@darg: Why did you say you were suspicious of HR?

@Tom... my suspicions started at the beginning of the game. Gut feeling reinforced by what might be just HR's style. But he tunnelled very hard, it seemed to me... with anger. Presently he might indeed have 'given' us Rdr. A bus is possible, even likely at this late date with scum so far ahead. But I do doubt he would give us the hooker. Why not bus a more useless scum?

You do realize he claimed doctor, yes?

@"goddess" would he or would he not? Don't tab too much into wifom there. Everything he said can be just to throw us off the right way. Best to deal with it is, I think at least, ignore it for the moment and concentrate on other, much clearer things.

Hmmm.... I didn't remember that. If it was a subtle claim, I didn't catch it. And if it was a bold claim, I was reading too much at one time catching up. I will be re-reading and obviously rethinking if that is the case.

@Karra, I wasn't online during the extend thing until after the GM's vetoed it.

Uhhh. Dargo, don't you remember when all the town members were saying whether they were cc HR's claim?
Like did you read literally anything on day 5 onward?

Page 158.
Dargo: "I am sorry if it makes me a bad player... but I am not a CC, to HR or anyone."

And what do you mean bad player anyway.

You have THREE HOURS remaining in Night 6.

GM NOTE:
DemonRHK needs to make a post this phase, or be modkilled.

Rdrivera’s Lynch Analysis

HR starts the Rdrivera push by pressuring him on pg182, DL8 adds questions as well. Dargorygel notes that his scumteam includes Rdrivera as well as Teacon, Ezio, and HR/Flum (?).
Pg183 -
Fluminator is next to vote Rdrivera, although with limited enthusiasm. Ezio scumreads Teacon/Darg/DemonRHK and mentions Rdrivera and DL8 as other possible candidates.
Rdrivera thinks that Flum is a possible fourth scum (after naming Demon/Teacon/Darg). DemonOverlord votes for Rdrivera. Fluminator thinks that Rdrivera is potential traitor and DO agrees.

Tom Bombadil notes that he dislikes a rdrivera lynch (preferring a darg lynch) but votes rdrivera.
Pg184 -
DemonRHK comes in and posts “DO of you think I'm such a good lynch then lead it. We have at least 1 mislynch left so I'll die if it will help reads that much. That being said, [][]Vote Teacon. I may be lurking but he's done even less.” (???, ignoring Rdrivera?) Major scum notch for RHK (his next post also seems kind of forced).

Jamiet99uk offers the “extend”. DO is first to extend, Ezio votes RD and extends as well. Rdrivera, DemonRHK, and Tom Bombadil follow.

Pg185 - Arj11 and Teacon7 suddenly come in and vote Rdrivera. The GMs change their mind on extending. Fluminator realizes that we can end to save Kakarroto (major town cred), and Teacon7/Ezio/DO and Flum quickly pick up on. Kaka comes back and everybody unends. By now, the vote is 8-3 Rdrivera, and it stays that way (ignoring DO’s votelessness) until the end of the day.
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ANALYSIS:
DemonRHK is almost definitely mafia after that EOD display. However, I think that gives Teacon7 some towncred - I don’t think RHK would be so blatant about posting that if all three were on the same scumteam. He also jumps on the #endwagon very easily.

Fluminator is a mixed bag, but this EOD gives him some towncred. I don’t like his vote on Rdrivera (it seems kind of hedgy and he follows up by saying he thinks Rdrivera is traitor), but proposing the end vote is very towny.

While Arj11 is no longer clear, I don’t think scum-Arj11 would vote Rdrivera that easily at the end of the day.

Fairly busy today and may not be on at EON. I'll try to reread Rdrivera's interactions D7.

Oh yeah. This game. Is RHK going to come on last minute?

Not using it Riot

arj11 - Low participation, though consistently in this from d1 to now, seems like it is his style to play. His soft clear went away. I grow much more wary on him, but I don't know. Null.
Dargorygel - No ellipses. Strange around brain in the beginning. His participation dropped from very high on d1 to nothing/strategic posting afterwards (with a big spike on d3), claims it is due to work. Brings nothing into the discussion and doesn't look that he is hunting. High likelyhood to be scum.
DeathLlama8 - His participation level is a bit like a wave: very low on nights, some participation on the day, though a spike in n3. His voting looks consistent too. I'm leaning a bit on town.
DemonOverlord - Developer. Confirmed town.
DemonRHK - Not claiming the gun. Needed to out. Not much participation, after the N2 spike (where he had the gun) his participation dropped heavily and only now it is back on the same level as before. His extreme lurking the last days drops my read on him. Null.
Ezio - doesn't feel too bad for me, at least what my gut says. His behaviour yesterday looks very towny too. Leaning town on him.
Fluminator - Is HR right? I had good vibes on him until the late game where he fell off a bit. Need to read everything in a calm matter to get the things sorted. I hate it that I don't have much time right now.
Hellenic Riot - no counterclaim to him claiming doc, so I guess he's the real deal, especially with him on rd.
teacon7 - I don't see the behaviour of him like in the game where he won us the game as town. He is practically neglecting the game. Leaning scum on him.
Tom Bombadil - Participation dropped from high to low, as if he don't want to be seen anymore. Some of his reactions were not good as I remember. He looked scummy to me before, but right now I don't know. Could be both so null.