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telthien (180 D)
02 Aug 16 UTC
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Come join a brand-new Diplomacy Discord server, for all your knifing needs!
I've created a Discord server for general Diplomacy chat, as a general place for people to find games, chat about games, and try not to kill each other too badly.

If you want to join up, just go here!: https://discord.gg/TEsAsyM - Thanks, and welcome!
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Lifespan (109 D)
01 Aug 16 UTC
vdiplomacy login problems
Apparently my username doesn't seem to exist on vdiplomacy. I have tried contacting the mods about this but I have received no response months later. Does anyone here know what I can do, or if I am allowed to create another account identical to this one on vdip?
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krellin (80 DX)
28 Jul 16 UTC
That Right...
...all that and a bag of chips.

Stuff that up your fine old dancing monkey butt...
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brainbomb (290 D)
26 Jul 16 UTC
Rio Olympics
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/olympics/australia-team-wont-move-into-unfinished-athletes-village/ar-BBuKzqE?ocid=mailsignout
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leon1122 (190 D)
31 Jul 16 UTC
Moderate Islam
https://youtu.be/EhpRlkrMWy8

The video is only 3 minutes long, but it's insightful for learning the beliefs of the average Muslim.
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ssorenn (0 DX)
23 Jul 16 UTC
3 game gunboat tourney.
25pt WTA 36 hour phase with agreement to ready whenever possible
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
14 May 16 UTC
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The 2016 Local Tournament - Round 3
The full ruleset is available here: https://tinyurl.com/webDip2016local-rules

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE RULES IF YOU PLAY IN THE TOURNAMENT
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
16 Jun 16 UTC
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Ancient Civilization Tournament
See Inside for Details
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ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Last I checked Athens wasn't all of Classical Antiquity nor was it all of Greece nor was it the be-all-end-all. It is really overestimated.

It is a simplification to fit an agenda, but I wouldn't say "gross"
ghug (5068 D(B))
19 Jul 16 UTC
Athens is responsible for the cultural inception of what we think of as classical antiquity. Also of what we think of as western thought.
most of the Greek City States culture could be fitted into either a Spartan or an Athenian mold, would you say?
and the Renaissance's antiquity was mostly Athenian mold city-states, with a bit of Egyptian and a lot of Rome
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
No Athens is not responsible for Classical Antiquity nor the baseline for that. It was one city, one facet (a big one), but one all the same for that period.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Plus the Ancient Greeks (Some Athenians) studied in Ancient Egypt. Some historians even argue that Greek philosophy and religion are derivative of Ancient Egypt.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
So trumping up Athens as something original and super important to world history when it is entirely derivative (according to some) is laughable.
Hellenization was absolutely Athenian. If you're prattling on about Byzantines helping spark the Renaissance, then the pathway of Aristotle (an Athenian) -> Alexander the Great should be accepted by you as well.

One is anecdotal. Byzantine refugees brought it to Italy, etc etc. The other is direct and concrete. Aristotle was a tutor and mentor who gave Alexander Athenian ideas on governance, law, philosophy, etc. He then executed them.

There's also two other arguments you're forgetting. One is that we were prohibited from choosing Greece as a civilization by GM. Thus you don't see us talking about Sparta, Thebes, etc.

Second, without the Athenian navy at Salamis, the Achaemenid Persian Empire would have taken over Greece. That is indisputable. After Greece, who else was there to stand in Persia's way? The remaining Greek colonies were weak without an Athenian leader. Carthage and Rome were in their infancy. It is entirely possible that the Mediterranean would have become Persian. Similarly to how it is possible that without the Byzantines, much of Europe might be Islamic. Well, except for the fact that the Franks had already crushed them at Tours.

Tell me, what is of greater impact on the modern world - that Rome ever existed, or that the Balkans remained Christian from 800-1350?
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Are you saying that Persia would have conquered the entire Mediterranean basin if they won at Salamis? Doubtful. It's alt history so we can't know for sure.

So is saying that Christianity in Europe is thanks to the Byzantines, but you don't seem to have a problem with that.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
When did I make that argument. Please quote me.
I never said you made it. I made it, in defense of the Byzantines. You addressed many of the other points I made, but tacitly let that one slide.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
You were comparing a alt history scenario to something that happened. I can't compare alternative history to real history because unfortunately history played out one way (at least in our dimension).
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Maybe I misunderstand the point. If so please re-clarify.
We don't know whether or not another kingdom would've stopped the Arabs had they taken Constantinople. Speculating that Byzantines saved Europe from Islam is just as alt history as speculating that Athens saved Rome from falling under the Persian Empire.
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Right, and according to history, a militarily dominant Achaemenid Empire was stopped by a navy led by Athens.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
I never said Byzantines saved Europe from Islam. I don't like making alt history based arguments. Sorry.
ND, you're not understanding.

I make argument based on reasoning you don't like that favors Athens - you object. This is fine. There's literally nothing wrong with it.

I make argument based on reasoning you don't like that favors Byzantium - you don't bring it up.

That's where my problem lies.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
I just don't get the point you are making.

1) we have no way of knowing if Rome would have survived or not if Persia won at Salamis.
2) We know that Christianity was the dominant religion in the Balkans while the Byzantine Empire stood.

One of these two things asks me to consider alt history (if Rome fell). The other does not because it happened. There is no alt history involved.

ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
I think by this point I have proved the Byzantine Empire is the A-List Empire. But, stubborn biased people are just going to stick to their own agenda. That's fine. But, admit it I have proved my case. Thanks.
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
"2) We know that Christianity was the dominant religion in the Balkans while the Byzantine Empire stood."
It was also the dominant religion in the Balkans prior to the Byzantine Empire's inception :)
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Christianity was the dominant religion in Gaul while the Byzantine Empire stood. Coincidence? I think not.
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Muslims gained access to Athenian knowledge to advance their science, art, theology, mathematics, etc. while the Byzantine Empire stood.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
lol this wasn't even a point I was trying to make. It was something goldfinger brought up.

Your bias is legendary TrPrado.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Yes only the Athenians made advances in math, theology, science, art, etc.

Apparently that is what the people on this forum think. Lol. so funny.
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
The Muslims of their Golden Age literally called Aristotle the "First Teacher" in context of those things. The advances made during that period are definitely based on Athenian scholars.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Maybe some of the advances. All? No way. Simplification to fit the agenda.
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
The Arab World during the Middle Ages was far more significant than the Balkans during the Middle Ages.
ND (879 D)
19 Jul 16 UTC
Yeah the Arab World was significant. They aren't part of this contest though. More smears to fit the agenda.

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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
29 Jul 16 UTC
I'm in a state of ennui for two days
Why should I eat?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
28 Jul 16 UTC
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Bail Funds
Here's something interesting I learned about today. They have them in NYC and soon CT, too. http://www.massbailfund.org/
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griffinpup (100 D)
29 Jul 16 UTC
Live Game Starting in 30 Minutes!
Come join, it'll be fun!!! :D
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SilentSamurai (112 D)
29 Jul 16 UTC
Live Classic in 5 minutes. Need 3 players!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=181472
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SilentSamurai (112 D)
29 Jul 16 UTC
Live Ancient Coming Up
Ancient live game in an hour if you want to join:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=181476
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Pompeii (638 D)
28 Jul 16 UTC
Private game needing players
Hey guys me and my friends are trying to host a private game of diplomacy because we have a 24 hour train ride. Our skill levels are mixed with many of the players only playing their third or fourth game while a couple of us have been playing for years. If anyone is willing to join gameID=181450 let me know and I'll give you the password. The only stipulation is you need to be able to chat on kik messenger. Thank you!
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peterlund (1310 D(G))
28 Jul 16 UTC
Michael Bloomberg at DNC
12 minutes of great advice.
https://youtu.be/C6GyphHLAmc
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SilentSamurai (112 D)
27 Jul 16 UTC
One short for a live game in 20 minutes!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=181433

Would love to have a full game in time!
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
27 Jul 16 UTC
Mid-Stakes Gunboat
I've been getting more into Gunboats lately. Could I interest anyone in joining me for a 24 hour phase, 50 point Gunboat?
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Droid (192 D)
27 Jul 16 UTC
How do you end a drawn game when 1 player doesn't vote to draw.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=180889#gamePanel
I am playing France, the Italian player won't vote draw. Nobody has moved positions for maybe 4, 5 or 6 moves. It's a pain to keep entering the same set of orders, it is obviously a draw. What to do?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
24 Jul 16 UTC
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Mods, check my account because I'm now a userID=52861
Closed on Friday, moved in yesterday! A note to others: if you can, avoid buying and planing a wedding at the same time. Now I can get back to Diplomacy!
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
17 Jul 16 UTC
I'm in the Congo for two days
Who should I eat?
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brainbomb (290 D)
21 Jul 16 UTC
Republican Convention
Biggest shit show on earth?
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sweetwatersam (1796 D)
24 Jul 16 UTC
New Classic Game for Seasoned Players
Seasoned DIP Vets - join new Classic game. Need tWo players
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ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Jul 16 UTC
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Mafia XXII Signups
It's time for another one, folks.
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????? (0 DX)
25 Jul 16 UTC
Civil disorder
How many missed moves until the game makes a country go into civil disorder?
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brainbomb (290 D)
08 Jul 16 UTC
Gun Control vs Hillary Clintons Emails vs Pokemon GO vs Black Lives Matter
DISCUS
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
21 Jul 16 UTC
How to be less abusive.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/07/cis-men-socialized-to-be-abusive/
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taos (281 D)
22 Jul 16 UTC
just another world gunboat
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=181270
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BlackJackP74 (263 D)
20 Jul 16 UTC
Modern Dip two possible CD Openings...but need quick help
Hello. I'd like to make known a Modern Dip game that I'm in that may require two extra players to fill in for possible CD's in the future.The game is called "The Kiss Hello". The game ID is 180855, but I'm unsure as to how to link it properly.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
19 Jul 16 UTC
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webDip Chatroom
I'm bored. We should make a webDip chatroom. #brilliant
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jv (75 DX)
15 Jul 16 UTC
Is there any 5 vs 5 games?
I really hate and tried of being stabbed all the time, there are so few players with honesty.
I just want to play a game with tactics and conversations, is there any possibility that to enter a 5 vs 5 (or fewer) games?
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