Lurky Lurker is murkier than scum.

##VOTE Reeder

I think the town would be wise to rid itself of this character. His input has been extremely inconsistent. He often comes on to drop a comment and then tell us he has to <stroke his x, watch tv, do physics, do his mom, etc> without leaving any real comments. The only time we have seen any consistent input from him is when he thinks his shit is on the line. He doesn't ever really push for anyone...he has often either UNvoted at the EOD, or found a person to vote for all by himself....i.e. he is totally avoiding any chance of being blamed for anything, and in so doing is 100% not contributing to the town.

Yes, claims to be a noob. I don't care. We were all noob's once...after a couple days, did you get into the swing of things and try to make a difference?

He hasn't. ever. Mr Lurky McLurker has been order to lay low and ride out the storm and to date has been quite successful, he thinks.

I think not.

##VOTE Reeder.

You will be very hard pressed to move me off this vote. If I am not successful in it, I may just lose my mind, in tiny bits everywhere.

(a mouse runs through the room)

krellin: %%VOTE MOUSE HE is The SCUM, Baggggged another BILBO ScUmmbagginz

what the.....????

Unofficial Vote Count

Vecna (1): ND
ND (1): brainbomb
reedeer1 (2): guak, krellin
guak (2): reedeer1, ghug
krellin (1): Vecna

Not voted (1): captainmeme

Currently No One is set to be lynched.

(Less than 7 hours to go)

So, if there is anyone (ghug) who has a suspicion that Reeder MAY be scum...Reeder who typically does not even vote until the end...Reeder who often pulls his vote....Reeder who SUDDENLY at the beginning of the day is starting a TRAIN on guak???

If there is anyone with a distrust of Reeder...then I think it's time to pull your vote and not follow someone that is under suspicion.

GHUG...THAT MEANS YOU.

So you think guak is town now?

I don't know that I think guak is town or not. I just have not trusted Reeder for a very long time, and I distrust Reeder more than I distrust guak.

I guarantee Reeder has his vote on guak...trying to get a train going, and he'll, AS HE ALWAYS DOES, will pull/switch his vote EOD and be able to claim he didn't help kill a townie (if guak flips town).

Im so conflicted. On the one hand I really want to lynch someone out of the group Ghug/Meme/Krellin, but on the other hand lynching lurkers is so enticing.

in MXV when guak was scum he bussed his teammate (vash) very heavily as the endgame approached. Eventually the game was a resignation when TrPrado was lynched and revealed as Ninja and all other players had been scanned into by HR. guak was modkilled in that game by accident. Vash conceded the next day.

This has a much different feel from guak. Unless he is bussing reedeer, or ghug, it makes me sort of think guak might actually be telling the truth. I've never seen guak get whiney like that.

Lets see where this goes.
Could be me just completely getting paranoid.
Since ND plans to waste his vote and nobody has the balls but me to do anything about it, I will travel elsewhere to see if I trust myself. I sort of townread ghug, but since nobody is leading this thing it makes me concerned about the fact ghug, vecna and guak are all still alive. These are 3 of the best players in Mafia, all still alive this late into a game. Kind of bizarre.

##Vote ghug

##vote Ghug

@Vecna: "but on the other hand lynching lurkers is so enticing. "

And so instead of casting a vote for a lurker -- which you just said is so enticing -- you choose ghug. lol Get out of here, man.

YES or NO --
1. Lurking is a *very* effective strategy for a mafia member to not come under scrutiny? (i.e Avoids "psychological/behavioral" examination)
2. "Off"-voting -- either not voting, or voting singularly so as to have no effect -- is a *very* effective strategy for a mafia member to not come under scrutiny? (i.e. Avoids "voting pattern" analysis that tends to focus SOLELY on trains and buses and dog carts...)
3. Neither of the above behaviors is, in any way, a "Pro Town" style of play?


If you answer those three questions THE WAY YOU SHOULD in regards to Reeder, then you really have no choice but to determine that he ONLY can have suspicion cast upon him, and that there is very, very little to vindicate his behavior.

This isn't even going on to discuss his very predictable behavior, which is both a mix of scheduled and non-information-giving/insignificant posts, and his occassionaly drop-in reactionary posts when he feels he is threatened, which only last precisely long enough to deflect the heat and make sure no voting trend is coming his way. He then leaves, always with an excuse, etc.

There is *NOTHING* about Reeder that can be identified as Town behavior. And the "I'm a Noooooooooooob...." bullshit has long since flown the coop.

So if you are all looking for a Town Leader with a strong case to be made against someone -- then either FOLLOW ME....or give me the reason that my arguments are wrong.

It's go time, People. Time to put away the bullshit play and the monkey poop flinging, and lock this game down. If Reeder if mafia, then we have this game wrapped up.

Mafia XVII Day Six Official Vote Count 3.0

Vecna (1): ND
guak (2): reedeer1, ghug
reedeer1 (2): guak, krellin
ghug (2): brainbomb, Vecna

Not voted (1): captainmeme

Currently NOBODY is set to be lynched.

You have 5 hours and 52 minutes remaining.

The more I thought about it, the more I think a guak ghug team might be a thing. either that or vecna and/or brainybob are trying to pull the lynch from their buddy guak.

<DING> On cue.....as predicted.

And everyone thinks I'm an idiot.....

No, krellin. You may be right. This whole thing has me very uncomfortable.

Fuck it ##VOTE reedeer come at me fuckers.

FYI I have a dentist appointment right at EoD so I'm gonna have to leave slightly early.

ghug - I know it pains you to seem like you are following me, but I definitely have best interests in mind. I've been fighting this whole game, putting myself on the line. Yeah, I'm unconventional and all that...this is the best option

##VOTE ghug

still defending Reeder, guak? Why?

It doesn't pain me to follow you, krellin. I think you're misjudjing the situation we're in, and my best guess as to what happens now is that I get lynched and we lose this game today, but I don't think you're scum and I think there's a decent chance reedeer is.

Brain, are you really voting for me because I'm still alive?

If/when brain starts fuckgin around with his vote at end of day, it may at least give us a target for tomorrow, too.

anyone want to go brainbomb or join me on vecna?

I'd vote either to save myself, but neither earlier than that.

@ND I think both could be scum.

@Reedeer if you think they both could be scum then why don't you join me on Vecna?

ND, why do you *refuse* to accept that Reeder may be scum.

Please answer the argument that I made above *point by point*.

If you are refusing to vote for him - then explain why you are defending him?