##Call GM

Thanks. Also, you mentioned Paranoia is always on. Does it expire after a certain time or after it kills someone?

##GM Note:

Paranoia is a permanent modifier.

xorxes corruption analysis:

DAY 4 - FINAL VOTE COUNT:

Floodgates (7) - DeathLlama8, Kakarroto, WardenDresden, DemonOverlord, teacon7, Maniac, [unknown]
Fluminator (5) - Hellenic Riot, DemonRHK, dargorygel, Tom Bombadil, Ezio
Teacon7 (2) - Fluminator, arj11
Hellenic Riot (1) - Xorxes
DemonOverlord (1) - Floodgates
DemonRHK (1) - rdrivera2005
Ezio (1) - ghug

xorxes final D4 post was with approximately 2 hours to go, however, so these are not the wagons of relevance.

VOTE COUNT 4.3

Teacon7 (4) - dargorygel, Fluminator, arj11, Tom Bombadil
Floodgates (4) - DemonRHK, DeathLlama8, Kakarroto, WardenDresden
Hellenic Riot (2) - Xorxes, Maniac
Maniac (2) - Ezio, DemonOverlord
DemonOverlord (1) - Floodgates
Fluminator (1) - Hellenic Riot
DemonRHK (1) - rdrivera2005
Ezio (1) - ghug

Currently NOBODY is set to be lynched.

You have 90 MINUTES remaining in Day 4.

This is the next vote count; by which time DO had voted Maniac instead of xorxes, and Warden had voted Floodgates instead of me. So at the time of xorxes last appearance, the actual vote count was:

teacon7 - 4 votes
Floodgates - 3 votes + Xorxes Corruption
Me - 3 votes

And a bunch of people on one vote. The fact that he put his corrupter vote on Floodgates instead of teacon is thus very significant. If teacon is town he puts him 2 clear of anyone else and *at least* 4 clear of any mafia if he corrupts on him. Yet he chooses Flood instead. This is of course combined with the fact the he voted me - so he had votes on BOTH non-teacon wagons that were viable at the time of his departure.

Conclusion: teacon7 is mafia

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D3 Analysis:

Once again; xorxes is absent from EoD - something I picked up on when Bo missed it and xorxes consequently threw a hissyfit about it - rather hilariously in retrospect. This time, he had been absent for 90 minutes since his final post; so let's have a look at the vote count back then:


MoscowFleet: 5 + xorxes corruption
Me: 3 including xorxes
Warden: 3
RagingIke & Maniac: 2
arj11 & Tom Bombadil: 1

Given the fact that every single player with 2 or more votes is confirmed town, there's not a lot to conclude from this. Shame.

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D2 Analysis:
This time xorxes was active right up til EoD (well, 12 minutes before), and there's no vote count nearby so I have to reconstruct it. The vote count at that time was thus:

Maniac - 7 votes
Vecna - 6 votes + both of xorxes votes
Kakarroto - 6 votes
Bo - 3 votes
Ezio, dargorygel, Floodgates, brainbomb all on 1 vote.

Conclusion: Given once again every major wagon was town, this is probably just a case of xorxes hiding his vote on the major wagon.

D1 Analysis:

xorxes left with an hour to go, at which time, the vote count was:

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.10

VashtaNeurotic (6): MoscowFleet, Floodgates, Balki Bartokomous, Tom Bombadil, arj11, xorxes
brainbomb (4): Glen_Alexander, Maniac, peterlund, VashtaNeurotic
Glen_Alexander (3): DeathLlama8, RagingIke297, DemonRHK
Ezio (2): bo_sox48, rdrivera2005
ghug (2): DemonOverlord, Ezio
Vecna (2): WardenDresden, ghug
bo_sox48 (2): ND, Vecna
Maniac (2): Teacon7, brainbomb
Kakarroto (1): dargorygel
WardenDresden (1): Hellenic Riot

Unvoted (1): Kakarroto

xorxes has both votes on Vash, so it's actually:

Vash - 7
brainbomb - 4
Glen/Flum - 3
Ezio, ghug, Vecna, bo, and Maniac - 2
Kaka & Warden - 1

Removing confirmed townies excl. Vash:

Vash - 7 (both xorxes votes)
Glen/Flum - 3
Ezio - 2

Conclusion: Plausible that one of Flum or Ezio was being protected.


So the main day this is of note is the one day that there was a very tight wagon when xorxes left: D4. The fact he hedged votes on both non-teacon wagons that day is very interesting - seems like it was a case of getting anyone other than teacon lynched; so teacon looks extremely scummy. D2 and D3 have little to conclude, but his double-vote on Vash D1 could be explained by Flum or Ezio being mafia. Without the xorxes votes; Vash would only have had a 2 vote margin over Flum and 1 over Ezio. Regardless; teacon should be our next lynch.

Teacon is a good call. I also think DL8 and RHK could be protecting teacon too.
The team here could be: RHK, DL, teacon, rd(traitor), xorxes

Remember there was a point in my case where I felt DL voted flood out of nowhere. Would make sense if it was done to try and protect teacon.

I can certainly buy that scumteam; as my Flum read is mildly receding now. Teacon's individual mafia role will be very significant.

Though why rdrivera would be bussing RHK D4 with another teammate as the leading wagon is a bit odd

I can not fathom a world in which Glen Alex is the n1 kill so I'm ruling out Flum. Ezio seems legitimately townie to me. Who knows, maybe there is no traitor. Maybe Rd wasn't online and was just trying to look good for when RHK eventually flips.

I think if I'm wrong on one thing with that scum team, I'd replace someone with Flum - but I'm still really not convinced he's scum.

There's a traitor unless the No killed N1; which is idiotic.

Why do you think rdrivera is traitor instead of one of the others? I see nothing to say that DL8 or DRHK couldn't be traitor. Or indeed Ezio.

Ezio was a major d1 wagon, it'd be stupid to try and nk him I think. DRHK coasted too hard to be important. Rd tends to be solid, strong town - I can see someone like RHK or darg advocating for his nk.

Depends if they thought he was a PR - which should be the reason for any N1 kill?

I think we've established they aren't killing PR's.

Well, they will now that they know there isn't a universal backup.

Have we? They could easily have thought Balki was a different PR - in fact, they roleblocked him N1 so that's clearly the case. The only non-PR they've deliberately killed is ghug; and he was a clear anyway.

It doesn't make sense to risk keeping warden alive to kill ghug.

Floodgates (6) DeathLlama8 Kakarroto WardenDresden DemonOverlord teacon7 Maniac - 4 town, 2 unclears (possibly both mafia - teacon and DL8)
Fluminator (5) Hellenic Riot DemonRHK dargorygel Tom Bombadil Ezio - 1 town, 4 unclears.


Seems to me like it's almost certain there were scum on both wagons here, which may mean it was TvT after all. We'll see.

I think it's quite clear they suspected there was a doc from both the Bo and ghug kills.

Either that or they feared killing Warden whilst the final PR was hidden because I could've been the UB; and they;'d not have been able to RB the Oracle if a hidden UB took it.

Which goes back to hooker being someone under no pressure.

Lol I'm fairly sure it was TvT - or for some reason they really wanted to kill Flum out of fucking nowhere.

If motivator only lasts this next turn, do you all think it is worth it to risk one town death to get 2 dreams?

So theoretically, WD gets out two dreams about two scum and we lose one town member tonight. Then we lynch one of the scum from the dream the following day, DO uses lightning rod at night to avoid a kill, then we lynch another one of the scum the following day giving us the possibility of taking out 3 mafia. Of course it depends on the result of the dreams and whether the lightning rod succeeds.

Two dreams are over arj. There's no way for that to happen. You're very confusing rn

Oh wait crap never mind, hooker will just rb

Yes, DO only has to consider whether to use the Rod or not - and she'll tell me that in the dying seconds.

I'll have to leave town in your snakey hands, sigh.

I think Mafia would have been aiming for PRs on N1 and hit the Traitor, that´s why I was looking for any breadcrumb and ended pushing Warden, so I stopped doing it. Now that we know all PRs I think we might take a look again on D1 to see if everyone made some comment that could be seen as a PR crumb.

@DO - Do you really see me as a traitor and in a scum team with RHK? I know Maniac suggested I was traitor based on my bb joke, but I really expect you to be better then this.

@HR - I think you are right on your analisys of D4, xorxes seems to be protecting Teacon, so we should probably lynch him tomorrow.

I don't know if it was your bb joke per se, but yeah I do suspect you. You're smart and I'm shocked you've continuously shit on me for doing nothing but you've actually done nothing. You vote for RHK but I don't recall you heavily pushing RHK. Regardless, it is easy to bus for town cred. I definitely suspect you.

But if not, and you are town. Maybe you can go back and find me some potential crumbs. Also tell me who you think the scum team is.

@DO - I looked a lot for crumbs, the one that I thought may be the traitor was Warden. My guess now is Teacon, he posted a jpg of Gandalf that I didn´t bother to open at the time, but that could be seen as an Oracle or doc claim (http://s.quickmeme.com/img/de/de0f0cbdbf4414efe6dd17edde3bf936a33b7978f105b503aad9c127690c5809.jpg).

What do you mean by actually done nothing? I have been active and trying to find scum, I have given my reads and re-reading with Peter´s tool since D1. And when I shitted on you, you wasn´t even reading the thread (or was pretending you didn´t read, but for me looks the same). I didn´t try to push a lynch on last two days because I think the clears should be doing that.

Anyway, I think DemonRHK, Teacon and Dargo are really likely scum. From the others, your case on DL8 seems strong so he could be the 4th. But Tom and Flum could be the last one too.