So Vecna....please explain this case on me you just put together? It's "krellin decided to post some randomly nice things recenently when he agrees with someone....krellin responded to my post and asked for more information about what I was thinkg....THERFORE krellin must be scum!!!!!""

Oh good lord Vecna, you retard...you got me! Yup....you sure did. I realized that you were one of these think-skinned little pussies that I could only have a conversation with if I treated you like the pussy you are...and when I start to do that, you suddenly think I'm scum because I tried to have a conversation with you.

If that is your strongest fucking case against anyone in this game, we are fucking DOOMED.

Good what a dumbass. the sad thing is...you have COMPLETELY missed some information I provded to you within the last couple pages that I think would be of great significance to you and the town. But you are so blinded by hate you fail to read what has been told to you.

Try again, dumbass.

Its interesting though that you said on the last page that its only two people that we should expect to be scum. You dont think its quite likely that the amnesiac went onto the scumteam?

And yes, I did pick up on that msg if thats the one you just now tried to reference - Point is, scum would do that as well if the amnesiac was on their team.

Also, it is you yourself that stated -changes in behaviour- were the strongest scum indicators one could look at.

And as I said, I will keep poking you until im satisfied with my read of the situation. This is probably the defining moment for town. Either we lynch scum or we loose.

At least your defences now have advanced to contain logical thought and you've dropped the misinterpretation of my words. We might be getting somewhere.

At any rate, we need a safe lynch today that takes into account all possibilities if youre claiming to be the amnesiac. This would mean that meme cannot be the amnesiac and might be fair game to lynch.

Vecna - My behavior hasn't changed. What behavior of mine has changed this game? Because I occasionally say something polite to someone? lol Fuck off, dude. Go back to page one and read the thread. Yes, I'm capable of the occasional nice comment and even an apology, especially when I'm dealing with a soft-skinned moron that can't see past the schtick to the content. As for the schtick, IT TOO HAS BEEN EXPLAINED in this game, if you were actually a regular participant and read things.

As for whatever you are babbling about with the amnesiac and whatever...dude, what are you talking about? Stay the fuck on topic....As for expecting only two scum...uhhh...yeah.....it's possible there could be three, but I think the majority think it's two. I'm making that assumption, given the options the amnesiac had to choose from.

If you want to say there are three...what, do you have special knowledge? Because I'm pretty much sticking to two, because we're doomed if there are three.

Whoa....cross-post!!! WHEN the hell did I ever claim to be the amnesiac???? lol

What the hell are you talking about?

I told yo uto go back and read what I have written, because there is valuable information....like shit about ghug and....WHAT in the hell are you talking about???

for the record, I *despise* PR claims, and think most of them are ridiculous and I've - yes, mistakenly - lynched a PR claim. I'm not about to play that dumbass card, dude....seriously. We don't PR hunt in this game, duhhh....

The reason im attacking you is because I think we are facing three scum. Ive been posting all game trying to seduce the amnesiac to join town, but it was never actually in -his- best interest to do so, just for town. Im quite sure he has made a choice by now though, and if he was any bit smart or looking at the numbers he sadly will have chosen scum.

So yeah, im playing with the worst case scenario in the back of my mind. This game might be over in 31 hours.

Vecna lets recalculate based on that information.

So yesterday IF we had tied the vote Like I suggested:

Even if that were true it would not be Lylo today at all.
It would be 6-3, 4-3 buying town an additional day.

People who were in general uncooperative to my idea: meme, ND, goldfinger(deceased), krellin, reedeer1, ghug.

People not present: Vecna, guak

Jamiet was semi-cooperative in my idea.

Vecna - how has it never been in the Amnesiac's interest to join town? 2 scum went down in the first two days, and then another 2 in the next two.

It's possible Amnesiac joined Mafia if they remembered SkiingCougar's Mafioso role on N2, but I strongly doubt they would've unless there was a severe threat of them being NK'd, since it's a useless role and it would be joining a side before there was a chance to evaluate who was going to win. From the moment Bomb died & Maniac claimed it's been ridiculously beneficial for Amne to join town - if they remembered Bomb (which I hope they did) then if we manage to lynch one mafia member they can't win anymore.

"they can't win anymore" = Mafia can't win anymore, not amnesiac can't win anymore.

Gold was a really weird kill. I would've gone for him 100% today if he had been alive, so I guess his death was a blessing of sorts. I need to read back.

wow meme, what an incredibly scummy thing to say

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@bb - Your idea of a NL wouldn't have helped us at all, even if Amne joined Mafia. Jamiet would still be alive and would likely be today's lynch instead.

What an incredibly scummy vote BB. How is it scummy to vote your top scumread, no matter if its wrong?

He said his death was a blessing. It struck a nerve with me, nobody HAD to die. His math is fuzzy and at first when I suggested the idea he was helping to try to tie it, then he just abandoned that to try to get Jamie killed.

Captain, were down to 8 players. if amnesiac is scum its 5v3. Mislynch -> 4v3, NK -> 3v3 -> mafia autowin

Everyone adjust for that as WCS and supply top 3 scumreads and lets see if a common theme among a majority occurs for lynch preferences.

What do you mean by 'nobody HAD to die'? A death was going to happen, it was night phase. Gold being the NK is better than most others because otherwise I would've attempted to lynch him.

Also, I never tried to help tie it. Where did you get that from?

It was somewhat of a blessing, they couldve killed me who -absolutely noone- is scumreading (:D!). That wouldve been a way worse outcome, since it wouldnt have eliminated a serious lynch-vote contender from the pool of people. Or even worse, they couldve hit the remaining town PR.

Maybe I remember it wrong then but I could have sworn that it was 3 on Goldie and 3 on Jamie at one point after you changed votes, and maybe it was because Jamiet self voted.

yah, I was scum reading goldie too

Vecna, I understand that it may be LYLO here and we should be getting our acts together. I'm not entirely certain as to who to scumread right now, because I was dead set on Gold going into the day, so I need to read back and re-evaluate.

It occurs to me though, I've been skipping over most of bb's posts when reading because they're so incoherent, so I haven't really formed an opinion on him. His out-of-the-blue attack on me here for no real reason is making me think I should look at him more closely.

I severely doubt it's actually LYLO, but I get your point - we should start acting like it is.

brainybob if we all post our top three reads the mafia will just wait until the end and then follow a common theme against a town member...

It should be noted that what we're looking for completely changes depending on whether it's LYLO or not:

If it's LYLO then mafia will likely be bussing one another right now, and possibly last phase, since we'd have to lynch 3 of them in a row to win, so they'd be trying to dissociate to make that less likely.

If it's not LYLO then the two mafia can't afford to bus one another because if one goes down they lose (due to Amne-bomb). That means we're likely looking for two people who are avoiding mentioning or interacting with one another entirely, while trying to get other wagons going.

If it is LYLO then Guak/Ghug are the first people who come to mind. The way they went about attacking one another last phase is very, very similar to the way Ghug and I won M9, with one of us bussing the other (I was trying to get Ghug lynched) and the other trying to get a random townie lynched, so we had the possibility of winning on that day if they lynched the townie, but if they went the other way and lynched Ghug I'd likely be exonerated and win the following day instead.

Guak constantly pushing on Ghug, with Ghug pushing the Jamiet wagon yesterday, seems very similar to our old strategy. Now Ghug is pushing Guak and Guak hasn't voted yet. Maybe they wanted to swap over to further dissociate? Or maybe they decided they wanted to bus one another 100% today to make sure the other is townread?

I have no idea who the third person would be in this group. I need to look back at D3 opener - if Amne did join mafia, it happened N2. There's no other time when it would be in their interest to do so.

If it's not LYLO, then it's definitely not Ghug/Guak. As I said, if Amne didn't join scum, then mafia can't afford to bus one another for fear of Amne-Bomb being present, in which case they insta-lose by doing so.

"If it's not LYLO, then it's definitely not Ghug/Guak."

That should say

"If it's not LYLO, then it's definitely not Ghug and Guak."