I mean like a friend or a family member

Its not an admission of guilt just fyi. im just saying dont trust a vote someone "claims" they will enter.

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@krelling again you lie about my words, read my damn posts. I said so many people were scumreading him. I was not one of them, check my top scumreads to townreads - he actually was one of my biggest townreads at this point.

Interesting to see that you also instantly react the same way when Ghug accuses you - Instant OMGUS and a return vote. You also start to misinterpret his words. You dont even take the time to properly read what people write, you just reply with your own vomittal stream of words that have no merit.

All you've done this game is attack attack attack people.
-Your voting record shows scummy behaviour.
-The way you instantly attack anyone that even dares to mention you are scum, is scummy behaviour.
-You twisting everyone's words continuously is scummy behaviour.
-You spamming every page with boatloads of garbage to hide any proper reasoning is scummy behaviour.
-The fact you never ever uncovered a rational drawn conclusion about someone to further the town win condition is scummy as fuck. In fact, you were glad to jump on the Y2K train, a claimed PR. You were glad to jump on the jamiet train, even though reedeer1 was your top scumread. Heck you even continue to harp about it today how he's such a lurker and scummy.

##vote Krellin

And when people point to your voting record as scum indications you reply with reasons such as "I LEAD THE TRAIN ON 2 SCUM"

totally false. You followed maniac when it was obvious the 2 scumreads where going to get lynched. You didnt even respond by defending yourself why you were on Y2K or jumped onto jamiet (who was possibly a town PR) while you were scumreading and voting reedeer all day.

Sorry guys, busy day. I'll have something to say in like an hour.

@ND if you are really town it is time for you to let go of your vendetta and actually look into other people.

Also how about this, if I flip scum I promise to never play a game of diplomacy on this site again, and I promise to never partake in mafia again. Do you dare to take the same leap ND? Are you that sure of your reads? Because they have been wrong from the start, and the town needs to unite.

I'm still fucking lost.

My vote on krellin wasn't serious, though his reaction gives me pause. The way Vecna is playing bugs the hell out of me, but that's true in every game, and I'm starting to think that I need to find a new way to read him. Brainbomb is lying about me, but his lies make me look both bad (claims I've repeatedly called meme scum but won't vote for him, when really I've townread him pretty much all of the game) and good (claims I scumread Warden and xorxes early, but I never scumread Warden, and while I did cast doubts on xorxes, it was never enough to try to lead a lynch on him). ND and meme are both getting to the point where their lack of effort (yes I know you made one giant case on Vecna, ND. It sucks, it's getting old already, and it lacks analysis of other living players. You did a bit on brainbomb too recently and that's basically the only reason I'm not voting for you.) is making their scum stock go up a good amount. I'm gonna park my vote on ##VOTE guak for now, but I'm not even super happy with that anymore.

Everyone who was so insistent on getting reedeer yesterday/last night, where have the votes gone?

Their votes went on your jamiet train Ghug, Krellin was the one pushing for it for the last....I dont even know how long.

Dont you think its suspicious he abbandoned his top scumread, to vote jamiet, especially after I clearly made it known I had my suspicions of him being a PR?

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ghug: "I think using the janitor on the first nightkill is probably optimal play, as each piece of information matters more the less information we have total. Uclabb isn't playing, Balki is dead, and none of the rest of you are very smart, so I think that makes xorxes scum."

This is N2, well before Maniac reveals scans. Im not lying ghug why would you say I made that up?

Vecna - I *thouroughly* explained my vote on Jamie, buttmunch. His radical change in behavior was demented, and he was attempting to cause the town to have a tie vote. When the vote shifted to someone else HE VOTED FOR HIMSELF.

The fact that YOU don't find that suspicious make you a blithering idiot.

@REEDER: "why isn't ghug with us on guak. he was the most against guak..."

I have proposed a theory about why that is. You will note that the IMMEDIATE response to posting that theory was that ghug -- who has supposedly town read me all game -- suddenly voted for me.

You figure it out....pretty simple math in my book. almost clears dumbass Vecna the way those two have been playing it up and now refusing to following through now that they have finally convinced people to give them what they want.

@ghug I did however confuse you saying meme was a lurker just like guak to be a statement that meme was being scummy.

@brainybob I make a point of not lying.

@krellin. he changed his vote to guak. lets see if he has the balls to leave it there.

Would EVERYONE please put up at least their top vote so that we can get a true read of where the town is and figure out what we are doing today.

There is suddenly a lot of shifting and bullshit going on, which we should only expect from TWO players.

I understand why scum may *suddenly* have decided to throw their vote my way -- so if that is going to be the case, then let's get it on the table before I explode or something.

Provisional vote count 2.0

guak (3) krellin, reedeer1, ghug
Vecna (1) ND
ND (1) brainbomb
krellin (1) Vecna

Not Voted (2) captainmeme, guak

Theres no vote shifting at all Krellin have you lost your marbles?

Theres 1 major wagon. lol

Attempting to cause a tie vote with like 25 minutes remaining? Do you actually believe that yourself? It mightve been a desperate and retarded move, but theres no way scum would do that with so much time remaining. Scum would however use something silly like that to justify lynching another town.

Meme, Ghug, Krellin.

Are you trying to claim Krellin that it isnt VERY VERY likely that either one or two of those people that were on jamiet there are scum? Because youre using the same logic for voting him that Captainmeme used. And its nowhere near enough of a reason. And what RADICAL change in behaviour do you even mean? He's been playing pretty much the same way all game.

Krellin missed this post from guak

"I'm still fucking lost.

My vote on krellin wasn't serious, though his reaction gives me pause. The way Vecna is playing bugs the hell out of me, but that's true in every game, and I'm starting to think that I need to find a new way to read him. Brainbomb is lying about me, but his lies make me look both bad (claims I've repeatedly called meme scum but won't vote for him, when really I've townread him pretty much all of the game) and good (claims I scumread Warden and xorxes early, but I never scumread Warden, and while I did cast doubts on xorxes, it was never enough to try to lead a lynch on him). ND and meme are both getting to the point where their lack of effort (yes I know you made one giant case on Vecna, ND. It sucks, it's getting old already, and it lacks analysis of other living players. You did a bit on brainbomb too recently and that's basically the only reason I'm not voting for you.) is making their scum stock go up a good amount. I'm gonna park my vote on %%VOTE guak for now, but I'm not even super happy with that anymore.

Everyone who was so insistent on getting reedeer yesterday/last night, where have the votes gone?
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@Vecna -- by the way, your *idiotic* complaint that I actually fucking defend myself when I am accused is childish. What the fuck you stupid moron -- are yo utelling me you DON'T defend yourself when attacked?

God....that is **such** bullshit scum behavior to COMPLAIN when someone defends themselves.

And...for the record, I didn't vote for you initially because you attacked me. There is plenty of doubt about you.

As for ghug -- I voted for ghug because he accused me of *supporting* him, and flipped his wig and suddenly voted for me totally out of the blue -- and YOU are so fucking stupid that you can't see anything wrong with this!!

What ghug did was some of the scumiiest bullshit behavior I've ever seen --- supposedly townclearing me all game until I off-handedly propose a link between he and guak and BAM.....suddenly I'm too friendly with him (because I have agreed with him most of the game) and he votes for me.

You HONESTLY don't think that is total shit end-of-game scum behavior.

Essentially, ghug is taking advantage of the fact that I am hated *personally* by many (regardless of my town status) and therefore ghug is taking advantage of this to try to make a sudden train on me. And YOU are stupid and gullible enough to jump on board.

Way to shut your brain off and be a fucking scum pawn, dumbass.

As for putting the vote out there, itll take a miracle for me not to vote in those 3 names.

Those are the three names that killed Y2K with last minute vote shifts. Those are the people that killed jamiet with last minute vote changes. Those are the people that need to die today.

Who are you talking to Vec? that made no sense at all and if you were actually here at EOD you could have told me my math was wrong.

I said it was better for WCS
7-2, 5-2, 3-2(not a loss for town)
6-2, 4-2, 2-2 (loss fir town)

Krellin you again misrepresent what happened. Ghug talked about you being scummy, and suddenly YOU attacked him with all kinds of shit. The same you did to me when I dared state my reads of you were changing.

And you can defend yourself all you want, I never stated you couldnt. Im just picking your defence apart, because I think its weak, misrepresenting the FACTS, and scummy as fuck

Vecna -- yes, of course I attacked him for attacking me dumbass! ALL GAME he has been town-reading me. I make a mention - an off-hand theory - that he and guak are partners and BAM suddenly he attacks me??

get the fuck out of here Vecna. You don't find it at all suspicious that out of the blue, after literally a couple of weeks of ghug reading me clear, he suddenly turns against me at the *slightest* hint that he might be scum? REALLY?? You don't find that suspicious?

lol I guess maybe I have it wrong. Maybe it is ghug / Vecna.

Your *complete* inability to think outside the box -- your absolute closed-mindedness to consider ALL possibilities is either your being INTENTIONALLY dense because you have an agenda, or unintentionally dense because you are, well, dense.

Which is it.

I'm trying to CONSIDER ALL option right now. NOBODY is clear, so I'm watching everfyone's behavior, and throwing darts are EVERYONE to provoke reqaction. It's exactly what I've done ALL GAME to try to root people out.

What have you done, other than the standard bullshit "vote analysis", which is total shit, and you know it.

Actually scrap that, I just reread the turn of events and you appear to be right. You suggested the guak-ghug connection (stating you didnt believe it), and then Ghug votes you stating youre too friendly. A whole time later he comes back, says he's not sure about anything including Guak and goes on with the sad clueless puppy act.

Ill have to admit this actually is what Guak does as mafia. The game I played scum with him he was scumreading me hard as well, and voting for me when it didnt matter.

##vote Ghug

Dont you think the EOD2 shit is a little played out by now? Both wagons were PR guys. Imagine the narrative we'd have if Maniac died and flipped cop at the last second.

OK Vecna -- here's the deal -- I'll tone it down. I'm feelling a little *volatile* and I guess that it playing against me, and certainly wouldn't be good for the town if I die, because I'm one of you and on your side.

I get it - I fly off the handle and you think that I cause destruction for the town when I do so - but it's the opposite, I assure you.

Just think about what I said.

Ghug, Guak = scum
Captainmeme is amnesiac turned scum

That sounds like a pretty plausible scenario in line with voting records and all the other bullshit that has been going on in this game.