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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
01 Jun 17 UTC
Covfefe
Is this a new SNAFU or BOHICA?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
02 Jun 17 UTC
Interesting thought
If you have a cell phone type the word : "Diplomacy"
Then keep hitting your phones first suggestion until your message loops. Interesting to see how long/short or varied peoples lists will be.
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Oztra (30 DX)
31 May 17 UTC
What do people do outside of webDip?
Do people actually have lives outside of this game? What do people actually pursue with their existence? Who has the worst job? All of these burning questions, just waiting to be answered.
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brainbomb (290 D)
31 May 17 UTC
Trump pulls out
It appears the days where America cared about polar bears, rising sea levels, emissions, and trying to be a leader in changing our dying planet.... has all come to an end. RIP Earth.
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leon1122 (190 D)
03 Jun 17 UTC
Interesting thought
If you have a cell phone type the word : "President"
Then hit the first suggestion and press submit.
Interesting to who everyone's most talked-about President is.
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
29 May 17 UTC
WebDiplomacy Survivor - Final Tribal Council
35 days ago, 21 castaways begun their journey in the webDiplomacy version of the famous reality game show. Now, only three - Balki Bartokomous, DemonOverlord, Fluminator - remain, and all have fought tooth and nail to make it this far.

The final victor will be decided by eleven of the players they voted out, and this is their opportunity to sway votes their way. Welcome to Final Tribal.
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Fluminator (1500 D)
01 Jun 17 UTC
Thank you to everyone for an awesome game, and I know that even if I don’t win I gave the winner a run for their money, and I had a lot of fun. (At most parts lol). I really hope everyone had fun and it didn't feel like just a popularity contest. I at least tried to strictly keep everything strategic.
The finalists have been spending a lot of time criticizing each other’s games so I want to re-mention the positives of my game. I was very proactive in putting myself into good positions. I was in a good position on every tribe I was on, but each tribe I kept getting in a better position because I was always planning ahead. I wasn’t afraid to make moves like the singular Vash vote or mutinying, and I was the driving force behind many of the vote-offs, especially after the merge, but still a fair number before as well.
I played a cleaner game than Balki, yet still ended up on average being more in control. Maybe because Balki was too busy nudging people instead of doing things himself like I was.
I also played a better game than Demon, who only started playing a more honest game in the merge when she knew she had no other cards after losing power due to me.

Also, final appeal/message to each jury member.

Ghug: I suspect at this point you realize why I had a better chance with you eliminated. (Although I bet you secretly knew that before you were voted out to) I know you don’t hold it against me, and you know that I wouldn’t hold it against you if you voted for demon to win. But I’m still going to try to appeal. If you use your vote on demon because she was loyal that’s fine, but do keep in mind if she has let slip (as Vash has pointed out) that she gave the rock away so she wouldn’t have to decide who to vote for at the end. If she was trying to get you to the end, and kept the rock, the worst case scenario for you would have been playing a 1v1. I don’t think she was loyal enough to you that you necessarily need to give her your vote.

Snowy: You already said you were voting for me to win so I’ll probably just say thank you again. I hope you feel a little cool that your vote-off was the main one that dominated the discussion of the jury, so you definitely made an impact on the game.

Ezio: A lot of my arguments against demon I made were with your comments on mind. I’ll briefly restate them. It should be rewarded to plan for a good final 3 where you will win. I don’t think I should be punished for snowy going out because I clearly wanted him to stay but temporarily lost power. Balki confirmed this many times. I also don’t think demon should be rewarded for this because she’s made it clear she was going with the flow and played no part in Balki’s move against snowy. Her ideal final 3’s would have put her in a worse position.

Vash: You already said I had your vote so thank you! Hopefully if we play again we can meet up a bit quicker, because I think when we finally met at 7, we were both aware it was probably too late to make another alliance.

Bozo: I’m sad you didn’t post on the jury thread, but I don’t blame you because you had a rough game. I hope you had fun. I don’t really have much to appeal to you to earn your vote though.

Bo_sox: I don’t really know what your thoughts are so it’s hard to appeal to you too. I think I deserve your vote though! If it's a popularity contest to you I promise I tried to not base any decisions on out of game relations.

Uclabb: I have a pretty good inkling that you’re leaning towards my side already based on some of your posts. Even if I don’t win, I can at least know that someone appreciated my game and it makes me feel pretty good. Thank you.

Byron: I don’t really know what you’re looking for either. I voted out ghug, someone on your original tribe! If that gave you pleasure, you should vote for me.

Glen: I was paranoid about you a lot of the game, but it seems like it truly was you were just super busy. You’ll have to try one of these again when you have more time. Thank you for giving me immunity that round.

MoscowFleet: At the risk of sounding sleezy, Demon will probably win if the vote is split between me and Balki, and based on the way the jury questioning went, I’m getting more votes than Balki so you should vote for me if you don’t want Demon to win because “she played an honest game”.
I do want to say that both me and Demon did not enjoy voting you. Demon said she felt like crying when she targeted you so your stab certainly didn’t come lightly from either of us. However, I still wanted more for Oztra to go home.

Oztra: I dunno what’s going on with you and Demon. Hope you realize she betrayed you still lol.

Balki and Demon: I know things got a little heated at that one point, and were critical of each other’s games, but I know that no matter what, it was entirely within the context of the game with me. You guys are both awesome people. I hope I didn’t lay on my criticisms of your games so much that it extended to the personal, and I want to let you know that I never took any of your criticisms of my game personally either. Thanks for the game, and for both of you keeping me on my toes during this phase.
@Jury,

if you took the time to read the full jury thread, I applaud you. Truly, it's a lot of effort, especially when we're talking about awarding someone else as the winner in a game you played, and in a game where you lost.

I'm not going to appeal to you each individually. I have the same thing to say to each one of you.

It would be a shame if you voted out of some concept of loyalty to someone you worked with who did not stab you. Cruel as this game is, the reason that Demon, Flum, and I made the final jury was because each one of you were voted out. To applaud the person with their hands clean is to reward a person who made it to the jury through luck and the actions of others.

It would be a shame if you voted to punish out of some sort of meta-gaming strategy, in order to establish a reputation for retaliating against people who stab you. That is selfish and disrespects the game.

I suggest you look hard at the jury thread, and consider your own interactions with each of us in the game, and vote for MVP. Vote for the person who played the best.

I don't think anyone can honestly say the answer is Demon, so I'll consider the case of Flum.

I asked Flum to provide transcripts or to state how many pages he had in his messages from the final tribe board. He didn't do either. The reason is because the transcripts tell the tale.

When Flum mutinied over to Birsan, I was in a tribe with a majority of original Juggernauts. Ezio, Snowy, Flum. I had prepared for that. I had set up an inter-tribal alliance including them when I was on Exile. But I wanted to do more than make the final 4. I wanted to make the final 3 and win.

So I pledged my loyalty to Flum, Snowy, and Ezio, while creating a conflict between Ezio and Flum. That wasn't as easy as saying "let's vote out X." That was painstaking effort to make them both feel they were threatened.

At final tribal, I was playing all sides. I was bouncing back and forth of discussions with everyone. I was gathering information, and I was testing people. I offered Snowy a final three deal, and he said this:

"There's no choice. If I side with you, Flum is our third no question. Really, the only real question I have is whether people will vote me for the win more over you, or Ezio. Because for all our talks about honesty and integrity, we're in it to win it, no? Final three is no position but you know what they say - if you're not #1 you're just a loser."

He let slip that he was going to fearvote me at 4, because he thought I would beat him at final jury, but that Flum would not beat him. That is because in the game, it was clear I was pulling the strings, and Flum was riding coattails.

I took that information and stabbed Snowy at 5 before he could stab me at 4. Perfect timing.

Demon suggested that this game is easy when you make lots of promises and stabs. Respectfully, she has no idea what she's talking about. I'm not the first snake to try to lie to someone and win a game of survivor, and I wasn't the lone snake in a game of angels. It takes a tremendous amount of effort to do what I did. It is hard to avoid fallout from stabbing someone else's ally, and make your votes actually sound to everyone else in the game like you're still on their side, and it's still in their interest to keep you around.

And when other people are apt to stab you at 4, or 5, or 6, or at any other point in the game, it is hard to gain that information and use it to time your preemptive strike perfectly.

Nothing about this was easy. If I open up my final tribe board and click on messages to see all the messages I exchanged with everyone at final tribe, I have 113 pages of messages, each one 30 messages deep. Neither Demon nor Flum would tell you how many they have. And that should tell you something too.

The only sincere counter-arguments to voting for me that I've heard from Demon and Flum are that (1) nobody is going to vote for me, so don't waste your vote, and (2) I assembled the wrong jury.

On (1), this isn't mafia. You're voting for the person who you think played the best game. Vote your conscience. Who cares about making your vote "count"? But also, the most vocal in the jury thread were the people I stabbed. I am confident that this jury will read the material in front of them and vote for the person who played the best.

(2) is a circular argument that assumes the result. Whether this is the "right jury" is for the jury to decide. I like my case next to both Flum and Demon. I honestly don't see why either deserves your vote.

Flum is right about one thing. I did not consider that the jury would use their "MVP" votes to settle old scores, vote for who they liked, or vote to be anyone's best friend. When a townie catches and lynches scum in a mafia game, the mafia player doesn't withhold their MVP vote over a grudge. I have blood on my hands, and I wear it with pride. That is because I made it to the end with my own two hands.

Thank you for your consideration.
Durga (3609 D)
01 Jun 17 UTC
I’m going to try to make a pitch even though a lot of you have probably decided who you want to vote for. I’ve stressed that this kind of game was tough for me, Flum mentioned that me voting out Moscow made me want to cry and he’s not lying about that. So I just want to say I’m sorry to everyone I had to vote out and everyone I couldn’t keep around, I’m sure it isn’t a fun feeling to be voted out. Anyway I’ve never seen Survivor and I don’t know the optimal plays, and I probably don’t even know the optimal pitch to make here, so maybe I didn’t play the way Survivor fans find “impressive”, but I think I played pretty great regardless. A lot of it I have said in the thread but I will reiterate it somewhat.

Here’s the gist of it. To the best of my ability I tried to be honest and transparent about my actions and my alliances. I acknowledge it was not possible in all circumstances but I still managed it way more than the other two players here and I think that has value to it even though people who typically watch Survivor apparently don’t seem to think so.

And a note to everyone. YOU CAN GET TO THE FINAL THREE WITHOUT HAVING ALL KINDS OF ELABORATE SCHEMES AND STABS. Isn’t it wild? A vote for me isn’t just a vote for being my friend (you’re all my friends ~), I actually got here from being fucking smart about who I allied and kept close to. There is no reason to reward sneaky play in every scenario. I do not see how that makes for a better player. It is very very very very hard to be here while still trying to keep some people happy. I think I did that best.

Here’s a thing. If you’re whining that people dislike you for stabbing then maybe you should have played smarter? Put yourself in positions where you didn’t have to stab to get what you wanted like what I did. You know why Flum was so afraid of ghug and Ezio winning over him? Because they didn’t go around and stab everyone, but instead targeted each other openly. This looks good because it is good. I told Ezio that I was going to vote him, I certainly didn’t have to and I could have done what Balki did and not faced his disappointment but I didn’t take that path. I risked Ezio’s rage instead.

And for anyone who thinks I didn’t do anything, please stop being so delusional. I saved Oztra from being lynched multiple times, I saved Vash, I saved ghug multiple times. I got myself to the final three despite not being in the in-group at the final merge. They all admit this. Don’t even *dare* say I didn’t do anything.

I’m frankly a bit sad by the apathy of some people who were on the jury but didn’t post. I would love to know how Glen & Bozo felt about Flum. Will they even vote? I don’t think Flum was too good to them but I unfortunately didn’t get to hear about it and nor did the others who are casting their vote.

Here I agree with Balki that Flum is the one to beat. Balki can talk big but talking big doesn’t justify the fact that he only got here through manipulation. I also don’t think it bodes well for him that he spent the majority of his time in this thread lying and manipulating the facts. I don’t think that is good practice and I definitely don’t want to see him rewarded for it, I don’t think he will be. Flum did what Balki did with more subtle movements, which while more applaudable I don’t think is necessarily the best play. I stayed true to all the deals I made in the final merge and still got here. The final merge is the only time where the game actually evolves from a popularity contest into something more strategic and I think I did a stupid fucking good job to not only never lie during it but to also survive and get ahead despite that.

I’m going to address everyone again
MoscowFleet: I am sorry for voting you, but Flum also voted you. I assume for that you’ll be one of the few, if only person to vote for Balki. If you really can’t forgive us for it then I understand.

Bozo & Glen_Alex: We haven’t talked, I don’t even know if you’ll read this or vote - but if you do I hope it’ll be me for reasons listed before.

Bo: I don’t have you vote, not sure who does. Oh well hope you had a nice game.

CommanderByron: I understand you’re impressed by Balki’s lies, he’s very good at talking himself up and I’m also often mesmerised by it but not a lot of it is true. And he’s not going to win, there are way too many people on the jury that are going to make sure of that. So essentially it comes down between me and Flum, and I hope that you’ll pick me.

Oztra: I did not betray you. I never voted for you and you can even ask ghug that I tried my best to keep you around. I hope you’ll vote for me to win this game.

Uclabb: Doesn’t seem like I’ve convinced you of why I deserve to win, I only regret we did not get to talk during the game itself. If we did I believe you would feel differently about everything.

Ghug: You know I’m telling the truth about everything, I don’t think anything else needs to be said.

Ezio: I don’t think you have to worry about Balki winning as I’m sure you’ll find out in the jury thread. Don’t forget that Flum also stabbed you, and they voted against you together despite being your “allies”. I would have taken you to the end with me.

Snowy: I really don’t know why you think Flum played the more impressive game or that he’s deserving of your vote just because he was your dead beat ally. But hey.

Vash: your grudge against me is unfounded and short sighted. I hope you’ll see past it.

Flum and Balki, good luck boys you two are super cool Survivor extraordinaries and despite all the sadness voting people off caused me I'm happy I got to play with you two~~
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Welcome one, welcome all, to the (slightly delayed) Survivor Finale Live Show! It's time to reveal which of Balki Bartokomous, DemonOverlord or Fluminator is the victor in the game which has just hit the 40-day mark.

Votes will be revealed one post at a time. If you see a name in all-capitals, like this:

CAPTAINMEME

That means it's a jury vote for that player.

I'll read the votes.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
FLUMINATOR
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
DEMONOVERLORD
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
FLUMINATOR
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
DEMONOVERLORD
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
FLUMINATOR
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
DEMONOVERLORD
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
FLUMINATOR

That's 4 votes Fluminator, 3 votes DemonOverlord, 4 votes left. Balki, in order for you to have a shot at these virtual million dollars, all remaining votes must be for you.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
DEMONOVERLORD

That's DemonOverlord and Fluminator tied on 4 votes each. It's now between the two of them - Balki Bartokomous can no longer gather enough votes to win or tie.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
FLUMINATOR
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
DEMONOVERLORD

That's 5 votes Fluminator, 5 votes DemonOverlord, one vote left.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
The winner of WebDiplomacy Survivor:
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
(+1)
FLUMINATOR
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Congratulations Fluminator on the win! Here's your imaginary cheque for a million dollars!

This thread is now open to all :)
snowy801 (591 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Did anyone vote for Balki
Ezio (2181 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
(+1)
LINK TO GOD QT NOW
Ezio (2181 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
please o wise GM
Durga (3609 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Good job Flum you're the Survivor master and you deserve the win!! I'm so truly happy for you and I told meme that if I was on the jury that you'd have my vote.

Balki, I think you did really great too and you impressed me so much I couldn't even vote for you even though I knew you were in. You did great too and I'm sad the votes did reflect that at all.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Info QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/LfLgVF2E89HG

God QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/D8zHBQKpGUe

Ponderosa (Jury QT): https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/WiZpRebLFvH

Almost all of the rest of them are linked at the start of the Ponderosa QT.
Fluminator (1500 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
(+1)
Woooooooo!
Yay!
I'll post more soon.
Fluminator (1500 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Thank you demon and Balki for being great finalists.
Durga (3609 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
If the vote had split between Balki and Flum like I thought it might then I would have won. That jury qt made coordination way too easy, and the only reason why Balki didn't get any votes.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Jun 17 UTC
If I hadn't allowed that discussion in the Jury QT then it would've happened in this thread. I really didn't want the result spoiled by every Jury member stating who they were voting for here.
Durga (3609 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
One thing I'm shocked about is Moscow's vote going to Flum over Balki. Flum and I both voted Moscow, I guess I'll go read to find out why I get all the rage there
ghug (5068 D(B))
02 Jun 17 UTC
Well done Flum. You should have let me come to the end with you though.
MoscowFleet (129 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
DO, I didn't vote for you because it seemed to me that your main appeal to us was that you are well-liked and there's no problem winning a game because of that, which I strongly disagree with. Then being extremely rude to both the other finalists and some jurors kind of sealed it. It didn't have too much to do with you organizing my elimination.

Like I said in Ponderosa, Flum was able to accomplish the same thing as Balki but by pissing less people off, which is no easy feat. To me, the winner of the game is whoever best struck the balance between self-preservation and "appeal to the jury" or whatever you want to call it, and in my humble opinion, that was Flum.
Durga (3609 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Wait. I was the rude one here? Wild. No worries Moscow, your perspective is yours.

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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
03 Jun 17 UTC
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Colleges Celebrate Diversity With Separate Commencements
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/black-commencement-harvard.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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PhoenixFeathers13 (100 D)
03 Jun 17 UTC
2 Players needed
Help! We need two more players for a fun unranked game! http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=199852
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swagdaddy69 (100 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Interest in playing a live game this afternoon
Trying to get a live game going 5 minute turn. Willing to draw or pause whenever.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
02 Jun 17 UTC
And here's the weather
https://weather.com/
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Clownie (295 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Supporting others against your own unit
I'll be circumspect about the description, for obvious reasons (game's ongoing, in case it wasn't sufficiently obvious). See below.
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LeonWalras (865 D)
02 Jun 17 UTC
Autocomplete public press
Basically the idea is to provide you with a centre so we can work together. The only press is public commitment to attack Italy. Every sentence may be in Gascony and the other games. The rest is autocompleted to find out what kind of player is required.
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
01 Jun 17 UTC
Most offensive thread.
See inside.
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
01 Jun 17 UTC
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Should this thread be locked?
See inside.
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
02 Jun 17 UTC
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June GR Published
https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/theghost-ratingslist
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
01 Jun 17 UTC
America doesn't care about Earth
Fuck you, Trump. Fuck you, every cunt who voted for him. America is a force for evil. You need to be fucking obliterated.
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brainbomb (290 D)
01 Jun 17 UTC
Official Greatest Food Tournament Thread
See inside oven for details...
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CptMike (4457 D)
25 May 17 UTC
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I was just wondering... 100 % of us play on webDiplomacy.net. But how many of us have the boardgame, with the wooden blocks for the armies and boats... ?
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
24 May 17 UTC
webDiplomacy F2F tournament in MA, USA
We're only 4 months out from Boston Massacre folks, so now is the time to start making plans! If you're even remotely interested, please reach out to me so I can persuade you. And if you're very interested, go to www.BostonMassacreDiplomacy.com to register!
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
01 Jun 17 UTC
"Trump pulls out" thread innuendo masked as title
The thread regarding trump leaving the Paris accords. Could be viewed very much as a slighted innuendo of Trumps past. He has been accused of some sketchy things. Discuss.
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
30 May 17 UTC
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Don't click on this
Really just don't
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
31 May 17 UTC
Is it true that covfefe = 0.99999 repeating?
You don't know shit about the covfefe
Bo is the covfefe
JMO gonna bring down the covfefe hammer
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MajorMitchell (1874 D)
01 Jun 17 UTC
SEX, is it greater than, less than, or equal to 0.99999 recurring ?
Is SEX a problem for Trump ? Can be make America great at SEX again ?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
01 Jun 17 UTC
Trump pulls out
Unfortunately most of the women involved didn't be want him to push in.
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26 May 17 UTC
Jelly or Jam
Which is better?
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brainbomb (290 D)
28 May 17 UTC
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Babyburger (1564 D)
31 May 17 UTC
see older chat log
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Technostar (251 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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30 May 17 UTC
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Jacob63831 (160 D)
30 May 17 UTC
How to solve all of humanity's problems
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