Reads List #1
To clarify I meant to finish this and combine post it on Page 14 with my D1 Suspect Statement Analysis. So here they are posted well in advance of EOD.
1. – Espi: My current vote. I summed up a lot of evidence from Espi. So just a few highlights in this reads list. 1. Begins the game by asking if the cop should reveal. 2. Attempts to form a relationship with Jeff. 3. Talks about “bait” what type of bait who knows? 4. Gives a summary of the game so far marked as analysis. 5. Admits to being scummy in response to BB’s analysis of Espi. 6. Admits to buddying BB/Jeff on pg. 15 (recent development). Espi has been calculating all game. He is banking on us to buy into the dumb, scummy, townie defense. His reads on Page 11 are bad. Things like “could be lurking scum, or could be skilled town” for bo and “you could be a good town asset. I don’t fully trust you yet but slight town.” For Jeff. “I also hope you are town. You could be scum trying to become the main town leader” for BB. These are called hedged reads. Scummy behavior (admitted), buddying (admitted), (hedging his reads), posting a summary of the game so far with little to no analysis, etc all resolve in Espi being the #1 scum read I have. SOLID SCUM.
2. – guak: Explains early posting as being bored. Being bored is Guak’s reason for posting a lot now apparently this is definitely a moderation of his playstyle from previous games. On Page 5 defends his voting BO vote “because bo is bo” I assume this is some jokey stuff, but by the fifth page I would expect for most of the jokeposting to be at an end. Claims Jeff is buddying him and that you can #trustnoone (x-files anyone?) Guak begins to elaborate here saying that “there is no way I can get a good read on anyone before at least a couple flips have happened” (Pg. 6) By Page 10, Guak is still saying Bo sucks and saying his reads are lame. Page 13 votes Saladin because he is in favor of no lynch states: “Clearly he did not bother to read my initial post when I said that was scummy, and the only ones who don’t read the thread are mafia.” Further justifies his Saladin vote. Argues that I am stupid because through his experience he knows how wrong we all are on D1 and that he is in favor of information lynches on D1 and D2. Clearly there are several things to sum up about Guak: 1) Guak is in favor of an information lynch today, who better than Saladin (paraphrasing him). 2) Guak has moderated his playstyle and is far more active. 3) Posted a lot of no content posts regarding bo early on up until at least Page 10 he was joking around with bo. Right now I am cautious about Guak. I think that his new playstyle is concerning. I think some of his early actions and lack of content posts is concerning, but I am not yet ready to give him a scum rating so for now NULL.
3. – TrPrado: Phil starts the game stating ‘Sup DeathLlama, you firstposting scum?’ TrPrado immediately follows this with “I THINK HE IS” (pg. 1). I would consider this an early example of TrPrado buddying with phil (more buddying examples to come). I crosspost with TrPrado on Page 1 (I vote Dl and he votes Phil) then he immediately (second to next post he makes) votes DeathLlama (an example of him following my vote). Phil asks me a question and TrPrado immediately jumps on and says “Phil: are you trying to detract from ND looking through anything and everything and trying to leave no stone unturned?” (Pg. 3). Another example of him buddying me. Posts a lot of small no-content statements in the early game with no substance behind them. Talks about trusting “BB and yoyo” says “yoyo isn’t very scummy” (Pg. 5). I have reservations about people stating they trust other people in the game. Town read them, but trusting them that is something totally different and dangerous. After voting Guak for voting Bo and wanting to know why people are voting bo he follows Guak/Jeff onto a Bo vote (Pg. 7). Gives some ‘reads’ on Page 8: Espi, “he’s switching of between newb scum and newb town in my eyes” Guak, “SLIGHT SLIGHT SCUM” despite following Guak’s bo vote. Gives yoyo a town rate for active scumhunting. What scumhunting? Where has yoyo scumhunted? Lots of nulls. Definitely a low content filled reads list. I would like to see an updated reads to gather more information about TrPrado’s thought process. Completes a “findings of Phil_a_s on Page 9 which doesn’t change the NULL read. Votes American Slacker on Page 9 despite American Slacker being absent, why not vote you scum read? Responds to Jeff and Epsi on Page 13 more content here. In conclusion TrPrado has made the illusionary effort of appearing active by posting a bunch of small low-content messages and a low-content reads list. His reads weren’t hedgy, but strange. Why follow Guak’s vote onto bo but give him a scum rating? Why, vote americanslacker when you have Guak as a slight scum and Americanslacker as a null? His ‘content’ analysis on Phil doesn’t result in any change to the reads list, but is more of a summary of phil’s actions. I don’t think TyPrado has done much, but has appeared to do a lot if that makes sense. Early game messages could be argued to be full of buddying and vote following attempts. NULL for now but we need to watch this player more carefully as the day progresses.
4. - phil_a_s: Starts off by accusing yoyo and accusing yoyo of being scum (pg. 1). Confirms his position is that the cop should not reveal/claim without any information. Phil asks me ‘what thoughts’ on Page 3. I respond. Says a No Lynch is more stupid than scummy. Clarifies his vote on Espi is “doing him a favor” because Espi wants to be tested. Phil says Espi wants to be the center of attention (Pg. 4). States that without random bullshit votes we have no information “to create cases from” (Pg. 5). Talks about Guak’s style on Page 6. Talks a little bit about what happens if Espi gets lynched (pg. 7). Tells Espi not to trust anyone (Pg. 7). Says BB’s case on Espi is strong asks Espi some questions comments on Saladin (Pg. 10) Finally makes a strong Espi case on Page 12. Says “analysis is a better bet than everyone trying to vote randomly” (Pg. 13). At first glance it doesn’t seem like Phil has done much. Sure he had some jokey stuff at first (most of us did). He hasn’t followed anyone’s vote or buddied. But a lot of his content posts are lacking until around Page 12 where he makes a strong analysis of Espi. Following this he talks a bit about nightkill analysis, but says that analysis is better than voting randomly. I am comfortable giving Phil a SLIGHT TOWN rating.
5. – ND: me
6. - bo_sox48: Enters the game at Page 9 asking Balki, Espi, Saladin, yoyo questions and responding to those who have voted him. Votes Espi. His reads on 10 aren’t terrible but he could do them justice by adding proper ratings to them. Wants people to do reads asks Lucland on Page 10 and then asks for everyone to post reads within 24 hours. Kind of pushy on this and reads aren’t everything, analysis, and questions are just as important. Asks more questions on page 11. Unvotes Espi for a towntell. More questions on page 13. New reads list on Page 14. Votes SS. Overall Bo has come into this game hard. He has questioned, argued, made analysis and offered reads. While his reads have been lacking a bit it is still something. SLIGHT TOWN.
7. – Yoyoyozo: Doesn’t know he is starting the game. Doesn’t know the mafia doesn’t have a roleblock. Does yoyo read the game thread? Did yoyo not receive a role PM? Did these things not tip him off? Does yoyo read? Tells Jeff he has 10 minutes to convince him of his innocence (Page 2) Votes Jeff (I guess Jeff didn’t convince him, Pg. 3). “Scum can’t help but act scummy” (Pg. 4). Votes BB for “until he explains why he doesn’t want us to generating discussion” (Pg.5). Says his two reads are slight town and they are DL and Espi (Pg. 9). Continues to focus on Balki and engages with him over his analysis of Espi (yoyo’s townread). Then tells Espi that “I’m not your lawyer) (Pg. 11) Tells Balki that he will address his case “point by point” this is the case on Espi. Yoyo goes through Balki’s case on Espi point by point (Pg. 15). So what has yoyo done? Remember this is the guy TyPrado calls a town “scumhunter” on Pg. 8. Well he doesn’t read first. Didn’t know there was no roleblock, didn’t know he was playing the game, and since then has persisted in shooting down Balki’s case point by point. All he has done is defend Espi and forget he was playing the game. If there is one player in this game that is Espi’s lawyer it is yoyoyozo. SCUM.
8. - DeathLlama9: Doesn’t think cop should claim. Badgers me a bit. Posts some low content messages 1-6. Votes SS for his entrance and subsequent follow up. Posts some real barebone reads on page 7. Asks SS for experience (Pg. 8, but voted for him because he was ‘experienced’). Questions TrPrado on his ‘reads’. Unvotes SS. Answers some of my questions on Page 9. Has some slightly more elaborated (still barebone) reads on page 9 in response to my questions. Writes out some thoughts on Page 12 about SS, Espi, BB. Did you re-read ESPI DL? Says that “I have been posting the most” on Page 12. Just because DL posts the most doesn’t mean they are full of content. Posts a vote tracker. Posts some more content on Page 14, a reads list that is not barebones. Note* still has to re-read Espi as late as Page 14. I think these reads are substantially better than the Page 9 ones. Votes his scumread, Guak. Posts some more content on Guak, Page 16. So DL’s early stuff was crap. A lot of low-content posts for the beginning of the game, but around Page 9 he starts to try with some reads (still bad). Following that he begins to post more and more content in the form of questioning Saladin, provides a real reads list on 14, makes notes and questions Guak on page 16. Bad start, but great come back I think. My only request is that you re-read Espi DL because you have been mentioning you need to do this for many pages. SLIGHT TOWN.
9. – americaslacker: Makes his entrance to the game on Page 14. Says “You can all piece this shit together much better as I can.” (pg. 16) Says we have to ‘kill’ or ‘ignore’ Espi. Asks what y’all’s thoughts would be if guns were banned? WTH has this to do with forum mafia? Says he hit the ‘newb’ card. Calls himself the village idiot. I don’t know what the hell to make of this guy. NULL for now.
10. –Jeff Kuta: Starts by voting Espi (pg. 2). Votes bo on (pg. 3). This starts the so-called bo bandwagon. States that he uses votes for pressure (Pg. 4). Asks Espi “why are you asking for pressure?” (Pg. 5). Says Guak has a point and is voting bo because bo is bo. Says he had to get “the first punch in here” in reference to voting for bo (pg. 6). Votes Trprado on (Pg. 10). Continues to elaborate on his pressure voting tool, the vote. Asks TrPrado some questions (Page 11). Tries to figure SS out (Pg 13). Votes me at (pg. 13). Overall Jeff has used some questioning, but his initial clinging to the bo vote was odd. He seems to only want to use his vote as a pressure tool at this early stage and not really give us reads or analysis. For now SLIGHT TOWN, but we need to see more Jeff.
11. – SaladinSmith: Claims he has played before (pg. 6). Votes Jeff because that is his belief. Says his vote is random. Clarifies on page 8 that he thinks we should lynch, but it will be random. Talks some mafia strategy. Posts a bit more confusing people about his stance on lynching (Pg. 8). Talks about Jeff killing him and getting away with it (pg. 9). Doesn’t have evidence Jeff is mafia, but calls Jeff mafia. Sticks with his vote (Pg. 9). Continues to talk about lynching and no lynches on Page 11. Clarifies how he voted for Jeff “I think I arbitrarily picked a name from the first page, and then someone else voted for that person later on, so I picked another arbitrary name (Jeff) without checking very thoroughly to see if anyone else had voted for that person earlier” (Page 11) Continues to say a mafia Jeff can kill him now with no repercussions (Page 12). Talks about webdip mafia D1 lynch statistics says it’s a shot in the dark (Page 13). This guy has offered literally no analysis of the game. No reads. No argumentative questioning. Clearly has been no help to the town. Pushes strange and outlandish statements about no lynching which is counterproductive to town. Picked an ‘arbitrary’ name to vote for (Jeff) and is just going to stick with it. Really a scummy individual. SCUM.
12. - Balki Bartokomous: Reports for duty on Page 3 with his five tips for game success. Calls DL out for posting a lot without saying much (Pg. 5). Says voting randomly doesn’t help (pg. 5). Posts a good case against Espi on Page 8. Lots of content here. Posts some thoughts/rebuttals to yoyoyozo, Epsi, and town. Posts a case against yoyoyozo on (pg. 11). Posts who the contributors and non-contributors are on Page 13. Votes Espi on Page 14. Overall this guy has posted a lot of content and made two analytical cases against yoyoyozo and Espi while also challenging the town to adopt his tips for success. TOWN.
13. – Lucland: Posts some crap on Page 10 when he appears. Some double messages. Haven’t seen much else. Posts a really bad reads list on Page 10 and votes Guak. Nothing really to comment on NULL.
TL;DR
SCUMteam: SaladinSmith, Espi, Yoyoyozo
NULL: Guak, TrPrado, Lucland, AmericanSlacker,
TOWN: Phil_a_s, Balki, DeathLlama9, bo_sox48, Jeff
Live and Let Live
no ingame message 10minutes deadline
)
)
)
)