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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
Lusthog time
It's lusthog time. 2 games this go, same as usual:
- Gunboat
- No draws until stalemate
- No NMR
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The Ambassador (124 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Dip Directions?
In episode 11 of the Diplomacy Games podcast Kaner and I discussed longevity aspects and risk management of sites like webDip and vDip to ensure they grow and reduce the chances of going down (either technically speaking or perceptions of IP infringement). We said we'd create a thread for this for others to contribute. What do you reckon?
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Jamiet99uk (758 D)
03 Jan 17 UTC
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MAFIA XXVI - GAME THREAD
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Kakarroto (128 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Finally back home and read the thread, also here are the last reads from the persons mafia nk'ed.

ghug's last reads:
DO is clearly full of shit. [he retracts this by his last post: "DO is obvtown. All my other reads are real."]
HR is scum. He basically scumreads people for being wrong a lot and then is wrong a lot himself. This "confirmed" nonsense shows a narrow view of the game. One he's probably constructed and one that isn't accurate at all.
xorxes is scum. He's past the point where we can expect him to wait to start being useful. Dude likes to figure shit out, and he's not doing that here.
Flum's reaction to all of this seems pretty town.
Teacon is still scum. He realized he was being scumread for acting like he does as scum, so he tried to act like he does as town, but it was pretty weak and empty.
Ezio's vote was one of someone not worried about the corrupter tying. Still leaning scum there.
RHK is scum too because jesus christ. (I think that's 7 now?)
Our PRs are probably also scum because they suck as well. [well I think this is just his way of venting his frustration about our bad choices for lynch and shots, so I will not include any PR's in his scum list]
Y'all killed one of the only townie looking people, so my townreads are down to arj, Tom, and rd. Considering adding Flum to that list, but I'm gonna have to think on that a little.
Maniac is so town.
Ezio didn't give reads on anyone until he voted for you at the final moment, actually.

Balki's:
Scum reads:
Moscow
arj/rdrivera/darg
Brainbomb

bo_sox48's:
Some scumreads in no particular order, as I may not be back home before EON:
Ezio - I think there is a legitimate possibility that he is one of a few scum roles, one being the corruptor. The corruptor is a fairly weak role, in my opinion, unless town absolutely botches a lynch. Still, scum is scum.
teacon - If only because we are running out of options, and because I haven’t seen anything town-indicative of him this game (a point that is amplified given that he typically shows a lot of effort, good comprehension of the game, and finds unique points of analysis even when he has little time or energy for the game), I think he’s probably scum. If I live, which I assume I will, and if I have a gun, which I assume I will, he will be in my sights.
DeathLlama8 - I already made the case for him as corruptor. I don’t see him as poisoner or traitor, however. Still, a worthwhile target.
RHK - his play with the gun seemed forced. He didn’t out it, as if it might be forgotten (and it appears it would have been). When he did, he said there was no reason to out it as it could be used to clear the gun smuggler, as if that role needs a bunch of confirmation. He read peter (VT) and WD (orc) as his top scumreads, and then secondarily listed teacon, darg, and Floodgates/Maniac. If he is scum, I expect he bussed maybe two teammates in these reads. Looking back, I should have made him shoot out of those secondary reads.
For traitor:
I see only a few realistic possibilities here. Given that mafia has some experience, but in my opinion not tons of it (brainbomb was poisoned, which I don’t think a player like HR, for example, would ever let happen, because he was obviously not developer), I think the traitor is probably one of xorxes or HR, more likely the latter. If HR turns out to be the traitor, we should take a closer look at xorxes for meta purposes. Mafia showed N2 that they are willing to fearkill instead of going after confirmed clears and PRs, and though I don’t expect them to do that again, I think it is quite telling. HR is by far the top fearkill choice for lightly experienced scum, I think. That said, we should look back through D1 and see if there are any obvious PR breadcrumbs that could indicate someone else was targeted, though please be careful about outing someone. The puzzle will put itself together soon enough; no need to put town at more of a disadvantage in the process.
For whatever reason, I just realized that my townread on Glen was based on Kaka being scum. As such, I don't necessarily townread Flum. Gonna have to reread him. Woops.

bo_sox's case for corrupter:
This is a screenshot of peter's D3 tracker: https://puu.sh/tj9Ob/ef74f90666.png
As others have pointed out, it appears likely that the corruptor wasn't online around the end of the day. Similarly, since the corruptor ended up on Moscow, I think we can expect that the corruptor was voting for Moscow, probably up to and through the end. As such, the pool for the corruptor, if each of these premises is correct, is DL8 (voted Moscow with 57 minutes left until EOD, admitted that he wasn't around at EOD), Ezio (voted Moscow with 3.5 hours left until EOD), or Fluminator (voted Moscow over 24 hours ago, but was present at EOD - possibly just didn't bother changing the vote?).
I don't think that Fluminator would "forget" or "not bother" to change the corruptor vote, particularly when we all started changing our votes. Likewise, I don't think that he would avoid changing his, so I'm going to rule him out.
Ezio was online and active around EOD, even saying “god damnit. Everyone on MF” after WD’s reveal. I think it is possible that he actually changed the corruptor vote over to Moscow simply out of inexperience, disregard for his corrupter vote, or maybe even to cast a little bit of doubt about who he was. However, each of these seem less likely than…
DL8, who was not online for the EOD but was online recently enough to know that Moscow would be a big wagon going into the EOD and had a legitimate shot at being lynched, is the corruptor and placed that vote there about an hour before the deadline.

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I've put them together to see if we can see any sign for why they got the nk at the time, if mafia would want to silence them because they were in their reads at the time. Balkis reads we know that 2 are VT, but the middle row made me think a bit: it is possible that rd is scum and would cover arj after his dream if he is scum too (it wouldn't mean that if rd is scum that arj has to be scum too ... unlikely that warden got two scum with his dream choice). From what I've seen I don't think it is true, but rd was scum before and he did good. Just want to point out that possibility.

ghugs: HR, xorxes, teacon, Ezio, RHK. Without counterclaim for HR this list is down to 4, he was right with Maniac.

bo's: Ezio, teacon, DeathLlama, RHK - 3 names here that are also on ghugs list.

combining the two above, the scumteam could be teacon, Ezio, RHK, DeathLlama and xorxes.

if we think that balki has some correct guesses, I think that would change to: teacon Ezio RHK (both bo+ghug had them in their reads) and then a combination of dargo, rd, DeathLlama and arj (last one only possible if godfather or rd is scum)

Anything you can read out of their reads, which I may have interpreted wrongly?
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
17 Jan 17 UTC
##vote xorxes

Ezio, Why did you pick RHK instead of xorxes?
Durga (3609 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
That's a horrible way to look at things kaka. Although bo's reads look surprisingly good, I think a lot of the people that were killed weren't necessarily for the reads but because their roles weren't PR.
Durga (3609 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Like, I think there's value to looking at their reads. I don't think we should base the kill off it though.
Durga (3609 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Flum, you're ignoring me. Vote xorxes or RHK.
Fluminator (1500 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
##vote DemonRHK.
Fluminator (1500 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Wi-Fi is spotty
Fluminator (1500 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
I have to go to a meeting so I'll be away for the next bit. I'll definitely be back by end of day though.
Ezio (2181 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Every EoD has been town v town, with the possible exception of EoD4. What do scum normally do when it's town v town? They usually split themselves up and put some of them on both of the wagons right? If this is the case, we can look at the previous wagons and find who the scum are after removing all of the townclears who were on the wagon with them.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
17 Jan 17 UTC
@Ezio - Are you serious? If it´s town x town scum could either be on one of the main wagons or any other wagon to avoid lynching a town. We have done this analisys before, are you reading the thread?
xorxes (31128 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
##VOTE DemonRHK
xorxes (31128 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
I think Ezio gets some townie points because Maniac townread him in spite of all the tunneling.

@Ezio, were you not aware of Maniac claiming Developer when you were going after him?
Joe Biden (100 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
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#Riding with Biden
Ezio (2181 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
@Xorxes I noticed Kak asking him if he was Developer, but I didn't notice Maniac making his own claim. Maniac didn't make the claim, which I took as a denial.
@RD, I know mafia COULD be on a random wagon, but I'm asking what is more likely.
Jamiet99uk (758 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
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GM NOTE:
Joe Biden, you are not a participant in this forum game. Do not post in here.
Kakarroto (128 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
@Ezio I didn't ask him if he was Developer, I asked if he was CCTV. Or do you mean someone else?
Ezio (2181 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
No I meant you. I mixed up which PR you asked him about.
Durga (3609 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
For someone who tunnelled maniac all game you really don't know shit about maniac. That being said, I think you might be misguided townie. So as long as you follow me I won't have you lynched.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
17 Jan 17 UTC
I am leaving work and will be playing tennis for the next hour or two, but I should be able to be around at EOD.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
17 Jan 17 UTC
Why does Maniac townreading Ezio make Ezio more town? Surely going off how bad we've been this game we should just start lynching dead townies town reads.
Durga (3609 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Day 1 was Vash vs Ezio: 4 unclears on Vash and 3 on Ezio and 2 not on wagons. If I was scum I would stay away from the D1 mislynch unless Ezio is scum who needed saving.

@DL8 Can you tell me why you ended your vote on Glen day one but chose Floodgates on d4

Vecna vs Maniac
The only unclear not on a wagon day 2 is dargorygel. We now know that both Vecna and Maniac were town (I told you fuckers not to lynch either, I hate everyone). What are the chances that all 5 scum picked a wagon? 4 unclears on Vecna and 3 on Maniac. This day is particularly amazing because every single person who had a vote on them other than DemonRHK is a confirmed town. We honestly don't deserve to win.

MF vs Warden
- This is interesting, because with Warden's claim and the clear incentive of scum to NOT kill important PR's as we've seen, I think scum moved onto MF. We have: Ezio, DL8 and Tom on MF that are unclear.

@darg can you explain why you ended your vote on Tom on D3

Floodgates vs Floom
Two unclears on Flood, four on Floom (plus HR would be five), three not on wagons. It would baffle my fucking mind if every scum tried to lynch Floom.

I think I know who the right lynch today is.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
17 Jan 17 UTC
Fine. Given one of my preferred lynches of teacon is going to happen by modkill, I'll get my traitor read so that we can have agreement and not late chaos. With only one ML we need to have PRs unifying together here. ##vote xorxes
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
17 Jan 17 UTC
If teacon is town and modkilled then a mislynch today is game over.
Durga (3609 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
Wait, I think we need to lynch one of the two who automatically jumped to Ezio after Maniac flipped.
DemonRHK (100 D(B))
17 Jan 17 UTC
Flum gets away with lying repeatedly when he had the gun, awesome.

##Vote xorx, I'm fine with this scumread swinging.
Jamiet99uk (758 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
GM NOTE:
Vote count incoming shortly.
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
17 Jan 17 UTC
I would rather hit Tom Bombadil right now instead of Xorxes, but if teacon is going to die in any case, we can potentially gain info on TomB from his flip. I'm basically starting to feel like the scumteam are literally all lurking though. They're all doing the bare minimum of posting and participation to avoid being killed.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
17 Jan 17 UTC
I can buy lurking scum argument; but xorxes is scum no matter what. I expect him to flip traitor, but any scum is better than none now.
Durga (3609 D)
17 Jan 17 UTC
No I've totally found scum. Give me a bit I'm writing a case.
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
17 Jan 17 UTC
##VOTE Xorxes for now though.

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Flame (125 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
For Russian-speaking players
I still want to remind that russian-speaking players are also welcomed to Diplomail.Ru webdiplomacy server.
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
25 Jan 17 UTC
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So apparently you can't join more than 10 games...
WebDip thinks I have a life. Funny
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ssorenn (0 DX)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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My gunboats are over, time for some new ones
36h,dss, 25pt, gunboats
3 games--please join if you can play all three
Please ready if you can-----
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fourofswords (415 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
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Can we get 901 back?
Is it possible to get known world 901 variant back? with or without fixing bugs? It seems enough people like it.
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Condescension (10 D)
20 Jan 17 UTC
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In less than 24 hours, a lunatic will be in control of the nuclear football.
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The Ambassador (124 D)
25 Jan 17 UTC
Latest podcast of Diplomacy Games
New podcast episode of DiplomacyGames.com is now live on the website, iTunes & Stitcher. Kaner and I trade barbs over our 1v1 performance, we go down the rabbit hole about the direction of the various Dip sites and have a bit of fun discussing the Africa variant over at VDip. Enjoy!
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23 Jan 17 UTC
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https://youtu.be/0UpiNiaak18
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TrPrado (461 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
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The Oscars
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
14 Jan 17 UTC
Phantasmagoria?
I'm a little confused as to how you would use the word phantasmagorical/phantasmagoria/etc. I understand the words meaning, but would it be used as a negative connotation or positive connotation?
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Ezio (2181 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
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I am trying to find some examples of pretty looking stabs. I know people take pride in them, so what do you think is the best stab you've ever done on the site?
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0k0k0 (4810 D)
24 Jan 17 UTC
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The option does not appear in the list of variants.
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23 Jan 17 UTC
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I've been unable to find or create any new 901 variant games for a while now. It's still listed as active though! Anyone else have this issue?
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23 Jan 17 UTC
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23 Jan 17 UTC
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15 Jan 17 UTC
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I decided to open my imagination
I prayed about something recently. I asked God to give me signs. God gave me all the wrong signs. Therefore I submit this as Exhibit A, God is eother an asshole or doesnt exist. Discuss
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Jamiet99uk (758 D)
23 Jan 17 UTC
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Or, you know, what we used to just called "lies".
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Ezio (2181 D)
16 Jan 17 UTC
aaron rodgers is a god
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23 Jan 17 UTC
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Liberals- Supportive of change, dissatisfied with the status quo.
If we stopped attacking each other for a few minutes these traits could be complimentary.
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20 Jan 17 UTC
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23 Jan 17 UTC
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after only 4 hours, #alternativefacts is already being overused, just beating out the previous record held by #fakenews.

we fully expect to endure this for the next few days, until it to dies, or develops into something else (such as #bullshitnews)
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brainbomb (290 D)
21 Jan 17 UTC
I dont believe in the alphabet or languages
I think God did not actually create the alphabet. People did. People also made the tower of babel. Im agaist taxes being used to teach people the alphabet. God didnt create it, so its not important
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22 Jan 17 UTC
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