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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Mar 16 UTC
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It's Valis's Birthday
The guy who stole the crown for most annoying person on webDip (before having it swiftly taken again by brainbomb) is turning 74 years old today.
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Patburu (0 DX)
12 Mar 16 UTC
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GL 5-min EOG
I'm just posting my notes beginning in 1903. 4 way draw. We could have eliminated Italy, but we had other obligations that caused us to hit draw


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Yoyoyozo (65 D)
11 Mar 16 UTC
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Congrats on your well deserved solo!
Please use this thread to congratulate people that decide to solo a game because of a CD that gives them the solo.
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brainbomb (290 D)
12 Mar 16 UTC
Why Freya is a better Deity than Yaweh
Freya actually helps harvests and stuff
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
12 Mar 16 UTC
Great example I/T
gameID=173452

I am not just showing this because I won, I am showing this because here we have an example of a I/T agreed upon in 1901 that worked out well for both parties (up until the eventual and nessecary stab and solo)
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brainbomb (290 D)
07 Mar 16 UTC
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Seat belt laws are an infringement upon my personal liberty
I am against seat belt laws. I own my car therefore it is my own sovereign state. No form of authority has any right to question what I do in my car.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
12 Jan 16 UTC
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The 2016 Local Tournament - Round 1
The full ruleset is available here: https://tinyurl.com/webDip2016local-rules
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
10 Mar 16 UTC
woah woah woah
First off...who changed my gahd damn WTA...wtf is this sum of squares?! Unranked and you GET POINTS BACK! WHAT THE HECK!!!! WE PLAY FRIENDLIES HERE NOW?!?!?!?!
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DammmmDaniel (100 D)
11 Mar 16 UTC
Classic Map
What was the longest Classic map game ever?
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Sago (101 D)
27 Jan 16 UTC
UN II Constitution, Resolutions, Interpretations and proposals 2001.
Welcome to 2001. Here you will find the updated Constitution, Resolutions, Interpretations, and the proposals of 2001 for the pacifist diplomacy game UNII
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Mar 16 UTC
Hillary Clinton now past 1200 Delegates (Halfway point)
With 30 point leads in Ohio and Florida this is over. Bernie will drop out likely sometime next week.
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Mar 16 UTC
I filed my taxes
I filed my taxes and will be receiving my huge tax refund of 6.06$ within 21 business days.
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
07 Mar 16 UTC
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webDiplomacy Moderator Applications
See inside for details
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pahla (344 D)
10 Mar 16 UTC
Be There! fast game
Come on guys, we had to cancel a game a couple of minutes ago so let's play a gunboat game in 15 minutes
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Mar 16 UTC
Legolas vs Deadpool
did we do this one yet?
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
15 Feb 16 UTC
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Mafia XVII Game Thread
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Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Oh wow, you voted warden early day? That is such an accomplishment with a guilty scan from the confirmed cop. Clearly that completely clears your name.

I love the ferocity of this defence and the pretense of anger though, its so adorable. And so scummy.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Vecna -- there is nothing different about my behavior right now than any other time.

And what am I supposed to do? NOT defend myself, you moron? Good lord, you are as worthless as Reeder.

Hey Vecna -- why don't you do AS I ASKED YOU TO DO. You are all about examining voting records....LET'S SEE YOU ANALYZE YOUR OWN.

When you ignore this request, we will know that if you are honest, you will indict yourself. Asshole.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
But if we DO want to talk about changing playstyle....it would be Vecna....Vecna who has suddenly become quite active in the game as the mafia are about to feel the final pinch.

Your behavior...your *sudden* interest in this game....WHY?

Is it because Reeder is on the line tomorrow? Trying to come out and *desperately* fling shit against the wall and hope something sticks?

See my friend, I have been consistent in this game. You are the creep who has evolved *dramatically* over the course of time, and are now coming out with *wild* accusations.

If I was scummy DAYS AGO....THEN WHY WEREN'T YOU COMING AFTER ME DAYS AGO???? The voting pattern has been there for all to see!! The explanations of my votes are present WITH EVERY VOTE. And yet.......suddenly??? SUDDENLY you find my behavior from days ago suspicious? lol

No...nothing has changed about my guilt or innocence. Nothing has changed about MY behavior. YOUR BEHAVIOR on the other hand? BIG ASS CHANGE. And inquiring minds want to know: WHY???
ND (879 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@BB: Totally fair.
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
The real question is why you suddenly think im scummy, purely OMGUS. And ive actually been less active the last 2-3 days then at the start of the game. Youre just making up shit.

As for my voting pattern;
D1: DemonRHK to save my own town ass
D2: Maniac, to try and counter the train on an obvious PR claim (which I knew was true because he roleblocked me)
D3: Xorxes, guilty scumscan
D4: Warden, Guilty scumscan - Diverted attention from OB_Gyn when he was obviously fakeclaiming.
D5: Reedeer1 - You know the guy you were scumreading for 2 days straight, only to move off of last minute to kill towny jamiet? Who I was suggesting was likely to be a PR? Yeah I actually stayed on him to follow my scumread at that time.

As opposed to you, My votes have been to save TOWN PRs or following my reads (as you CLAIM to do, but do not).

"Speaking of which, as I said, I have not properly read back yet, so did you ever address my case? If so, please point me to the post. If not, why did you do what you did at EOD3?"

@captain - I did what I did at EOD3 because we had lynched a PR claim the day before and it turned out to be a PR. So I didn't want to lynch another PR. At the same time, had xorxes been online at EOD3, he probably would've PR claimed as well. It was set up to be a shitshow. We had no way of knowing if Maniac's scan claims were true or not. Therefore, the safest thing to do for town is lynch none of them, test Maniac overnight, and revisit the issue the next day.
brainbomb (290 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@Vecna when you won M14 with guak and Espi who was your big talker? Did guak lurk more in that game or was he vocal? Also did you guys ever discuss in QT that game any system of codes or any way to coordinate?
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Espi was the big talker but he died. Me and Guak were both pretty quiet. Especially Guak lurked very very hard untill the end, and started talking a little bit in the last few days.

We didnt really discuss too much in the QT. Town was such a mess that game that we didnt really need too much tactics.

Sadly our town is a mess right now as well.
brainbomb (290 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
I know last game as a Mafia (when maf were good guys I know its weird) you Ob and Flum had codes. Ob was mangina or something like that. Have you identified any such codes thos game that might imply ghug is lying.
ghug: "The sniper shot Chaqa without knowing who his teamates were."

Thats an eyebrow raising comment. What connection is there between ghug and Warden. I asked Warden to explain his past relationship with ghug and why he name dropped ghug early on but never got a response.
brainbomb (290 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@ghug were all on trial tomorrow assuming you or me or anyone is still alive. Why does guak think you "coached" warden how to fake claim?
guak (3381 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@krellin:

1. What was ghug like in other games as Town
ghug is usually really wrong early on and his reads substantially evolve as the game goes on. He flings lots of accusations and builds lots of cases. He rarely OMGUSes. He becomes more an more dangerous for scum in late phases. For these reasons he usually becomes a NK target. If I were mafia annd ghug were town he would be dead by now for sure. I would have never ever killed OB before ghug.

1a. Did his play evolve over time as town in past games (from game to game)
No, ghug as town always plays very similarly. Some games he is more wrong than in others. But his MO is the same. The one thing you can always expect from ghug is to consider optimal town play, and even when we disagree on what optimal town play is, townie ghug always goes for what he believes optimal town play is.

1b) why is this ghug not town ghug? For starter, the y2k lynch. ghug cannot possibly believe under any circumstances that a D2 lynch of a claimed PR who had not been counterclaimed is optimal town play. That should be enough. If it's not just check all the OMGUSing, the lack of casebuilding and the general mafia affiliation of his actions.

2. What was ghug like in other games as Scum
ghug is a mastermind as scum. He makes everyone believe he is town . No one suspects him and when someone does no one wants to lynch him. He usually wins as scum unless he is vig-killed (I can say I caught him once as scum when I was lucky enough to be vig). It is extremely frustrating because even when scum ghug does the scummiest possible action in the game (purposefully forcing a tie in the last minute of a phase) he can weasel his way out of being lynched. This makes scum ghug very bold and cocky.
2a. Did his play evolve over time as scum in other games (from game to game)
I would think so yes, it became more and more similar to his townie game. In the first game I caught him as scum he was pretty damn obviously playing different from town ghug. In succeeding games it has become harder to separate one from the other and I was very wrong in one of the last games I was convinced he was scum (I was town too). Yet, that was the worstgame ghug has ever played as town, so there was some justification there.
2b. What this means: if ghug is town he just surpassed his own worst game as town ever because this performance has been completely mafia aligned. Leading the lynch of y2k is the scummiest thing anyone has ever done in this game. Leading the lynch of Jamie was super scummy too (and everyone saying Jamie played a poor game are idiots, his end of phase antics clearly showed he was just a frustrated vanilla townie (town ghug would had noticed)).
2c. why is this ghug, scum ghug? Every single major action he has taken all game along has been better for scum than for town. Need I say more? ghug clearly is cocky enough to be blatant because he knows he can talk his way out of being lynched. Ergo he has been blatant and he still lives.

3. If ghug's play in this game directly parallel to previous behavior, if so, which?
Directly parallel to scum ghug. Scum ghug OMGUSes, leads the lynch of obviously innocent townies and coaches his teammates. All of that has happened in this game. Every single action ghug takes is a scum-favorable action.
3a. If ghug's play is unique in this game, how is it unique, and what can you draw form that?
It is not unique. He has been playing exactly like he did when he was scum who tied the vote and kept misleading town.
guak (3381 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@brainbomb: I already explained why WD was coached by ghug.

Ghug directed a comment at goldfinger referring to the possibility of WD being framed, as to give him the idea to claim vig. Basically, under the circumstance WD was in, he should had claimed miller, because it was a possibility. Yet, WD chose to claim vig. This was made possible due to ghug's framer reference, which happened a few posts before WD's claim, basically long enough for WD to draft his claim.
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Good job describing it Guak, mirrors my gut feeling pretty closely.
ghug (5068 D(B))
01 Mar 16 UTC
Guak, a lot of what you're saying just isn't true. One, you never caught me as the r vigilante. Two, I've won one of three games as scum. Three, I accuse people accusing me as town and as scum because OMGUS is a natural reaction and because sometimes people who are guilty for other reasons happen to accuse me. Fourth, I don't build that many cases as town; I just have a reputation for it that I've been trying to shake for ten games because fuck cases. There's probably more but I need to take a shower.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC

@Vecna -- no, my reasons for you being scummy are NOT OMGUS, you dimwit. I expalained EXACTLY why I think yo uare suddenly scummy....it is because you have had a DRAMATIC shift in your behavior, dumbass.

read what I wrote. Quit spreading lies THAT is the sort of shit that MAKES YOU SCUMMY.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@vecna says: "Espi was the big talker but he died. Me and Guak were both pretty quiet. Especially Guak lurked very very hard untill the end, and started talking a little bit in the last few days.

We didnt really discuss too much in the QT. Town was such a mess that game that we didnt really need too much tactics. "



in other words.... VECNA'S BEHAVIOR THIS GAME EXACTLY MATCHES HIS PREVIOUS SCUM BEHAVIOR.

I didn't even know about this previous game, and yet I described Vecna's behavior in this game EXACTLY as he just described his scum behavior previously.

Shit...I'm better than I thought I was!



I rest my case.
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
I did read what you wrote, and it was all bullshit as ive pointed out. Maybe you should read what -I- wrote. And like I said you suddenly started trying to fabricate all this bullcrap as soon as I pointed to your likely scumhood - this combined with the given your ramblings have zero merit........yeah you can figure it out. Or maybe you cant.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@Guak -- thank yo ufor that explicit answer. it is much appreciated, and I will strongly take it into consideration.

NOW -- EXAMINE VECNA --- especially in the light of:
1. I described his behavior this game as scummy, for given reasons...
2. He then proceeded, in an independent interaction (not with me) to describe his scum behavior in a previous game WHICH EXACTLY MATCHES THIS GAME...

Please comment.
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
See this is what convinces me youre scum. You dont even talk rationally, you just deflect arguments against you with utter garbage and nonsense responses.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Vecna -- I have no more need to counter your bullshit claims against me. Your SUDDEN suspicion me comes at a cost to you. Nothing about my behavior has changed, and sorry, dumbass, not everyone is guilty because of your flawed analysis of bullshit voting behavior.

But ACTUAL behavior...that is an altogether different beast....and....sorry chump, you blew it. Your scum pattern behavior is coming out quite clearly, as EVEN YOU YOURSELF HAVE INADVERTENTLY ADMITTED...

If guak has anty intergrity....or if he isnt' yoru scum partner...then he will see this and concur with my suspicion.

At the very least, it calls all of your accusations into serious doubt, and your ability to lead any train, be it choo-choo or your boys club, is seriously called into question.
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Anyone that actually did play in that game with me knows the real patterns Krellin, and as I said before, the last few days ive been less active than I was at the start.

You probably just havent noticed because youre so in love with your own garbage play.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Vecna - I will leave others to determine if I speak rationally. Your refusal to even cknowledge my argument and claim it is irrational is just another pathetic attempt to discredit me.

If you were town....then you would man up and defend yourself against my accusation and provide an explanation. Instead...you simply turn to an attack and try to discredit me BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO DEFENSE to your self-admission of guilt...
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
I have defended myself. When I was mafia I was lurking, literally 2 posts a day, and maybe 3-5 at the end of the game. Either way it means nothing because every monkey can change up his behaviour. And trying to argue with someone with your style is useless regardless, because you argue without reason, you just fling poop at a wall and try to build arguments out of vaguely formulated arguments.

"OMG YOU SAID YOU WERE LURKING, AND THEN BECAME MORE ACTIVE.

I NOW CLAIM YOU DID THE SAME THIS GAME. ERGO YOU ARE SCUM AGAIN. GOD IM A GENIOUS, LET ME MASTURBATE ALL OVER THIS THREAD WITH MY AWESOMENESS."
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Awwww...Veccy-poo....don't go throwing a temper tamtrum because I nailed your ass to the wall.

I give you credit -- you've hidden quite well this game -- but with your mafia team about to be obliterated you have been forced out of hiding, and unfortunately for you this sudden change in behavior, sudden change in accusation patterns, etc.

guak (3381 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@krellin: I agree Vecna is acting the same as when he was scum. But he has also acted this exact same way when he has been town. He is confusing.

What I do know is that Vecna was RBd by y2k N1. That means he is not janitor. Therefore he can only be the other mafia member if he is mafia at all. I would rather focus on scummier reads first.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Vecna -- so you admit that in your last game you uber-lurked, and then .....OK, so you mean how in THIS game your early participation was minimal, designed to make sure you participated without saying anything of import?

Funny, Vecna, how ARGUMENTS YOU USE AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE DON'T APPLY TO YOU? Your arguments seems to only have one-way-logic, is that true?

The same observations you use to convict other people CANNOT be applied to you when we see the same patterns of behavior?

lol

Dude....give it up, man. This is pathetic, really.


You are no different from Reeder, hiding hiding hiding....until things don't go his way then suddenly shows up and gets active.

Something has but a bee in your bonnet, and got you all riled up...and it has happen very recently, and only after the QT started.

The pattern is obvious.
guak (3381 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
@ghug: maybe I was SK instead of vig? I just remember I had a killing role and shot you because you were obvious scum.
Vecna (890 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
Krellin, you can try to claim ive been lurking all game, but EVERYONE remembers the length of those ND posts where he quotes a lot of my shit. Youre not fooling anyone.

brainbomb (290 D)
01 Mar 16 UTC
ND: Janitor.
If ND was scum he would want to kill the person most likely to scumread him from M13 (Balki). yoyo may have been indicating to warden who not to shoot in that post alluding to the nk option to protect ND and whichever was still standing next day would tell Warden ND and himself were allies. Re-read P3.
Also it lends credibility back to the Obgyn all lurk maf team.
reedeer1(lurker)
ND(the talker possible Janitor)
xorxes(lurker)
warden (sniper)
cougar (lurker modkilled)
yoyoyoyodead(lurker coordinator)
ghug (5068 D(B))
01 Mar 16 UTC
@guak, you're thinking of the time you were SK and you shot me for being the Vig, I think. You correctly shot uclabb for being scum that game though.

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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
10 Mar 16 UTC
Martial Law declared in UK after riots
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/03/09/martial-law-declared-uk-casserole-pastry-lid-passed-pie/
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08 Mar 16 UTC
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yes
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
09 Mar 16 UTC
Vegetables
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09 Mar 16 UTC
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10 Mar 16 UTC
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Ancillary Justice (Imperial Radch)
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09 Mar 16 UTC
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08 Mar 16 UTC
Please help me set up my first FtF game with friends
Hi mods, I'd like to use the site to play a FtF game with a group of friends. Any advice on how I should proceed? Not getting banned as a multi during/after the game is strongly preferred.
Also, if anyone has any experience playing FtF with all players entering orders on their phones/tablets and/or with players who never played Diplomacy before, please let me know how it went and what I should expect. Thanks!
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08 Mar 16 UTC
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How weak you have to be...
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09 Mar 16 UTC
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06 Mar 16 UTC
Civil Disorder - How many un-sumitted orders until Civil Disorder
I'm currently playing a 20-hour/phase game in which I've seen two players not submit orders for over 5 seasons as well as the retreats and disbands. Really slows the game if the player has left the game. When does Civil Disorder take over and moves are made automatically?

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07 Mar 16 UTC
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07 Mar 16 UTC
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