"I'm torn on my vote still. Personally from my personal experience I worked closely with Demon for a short period and feel obligated to vote that way because of personal experience. But hearing balki talk and defend himself is making my Vitebsk hard. Because I'm hearing balki and saying damn. That deserves a vote."

Thank you for your bravery. Happy to answer any questions that you have.

Lmao Vash fuck you, I saved your ass from being voted out by ghug and bo. You're the absolute worst who didn't even deserve to get that far. Screw off.

Read the post above by DO. And consider CommanderByron's quandry about feeling obligated to vote DO.

This is not a loyalty contest. We are not awarding people for working with us or punishing people for not working with us.

This is about who played the best game.

I had some very strong alliances who were pushed out by other people. Vashta, Moscow, Bozo, Oztra.

I don't want their votes just because I worked with them. I want their votes because they saw how I played the game, they saw how I took control, made the right moves, and controlled my destiny to get here. I clutched to no coattails. I did not sit back and rely on popularity. I have blood on my hands because I did this with my hands.

It's almost as if I think that was the wrong move...Still waiting for the truth about the game

"it's all because I'm an evil manipulative witch"

I can accept that answer. Thank you. I am not at peace.

Still not voting for you though.

Actually this is a popularity contest. That's why there's a jury versus a panel of judges.

"Actually this is a popularity contest. That's why there's a jury versus a panel of judges."

No it's not. This is not about who you are. It's about what you've done.

now,* not not

Like maybe if you decided to wait until Round 3 or after the merge to target my backup plan I'd be more sympathetic. But then you did that round 2 and chose me over the person whose life you saved later on. It's the most confounding strategy even if I understand why you did it.

Here’s the whole truth of the matter. I’m the only one in the final three who has never watched an episode of Survivor, in fact I’m surrounded by two die hard fans who know what this game is about. I have a clear disadvantage in this regard. Flum has even played Survivor online on mafiascum I’m pretty sure, so he knows what he’s doing - this shows pretty clearly as they know what to say and what to appeal to.

I didn’t quite know what to expect coming in, and the first tribe was a really weird experience. I was inclined to ally with Vash and Moscow because they’re my friends, and we voted out Manwe simply for never playing mafia with us. Some high tier clique shit that just established the game as a who-knows-who and a total popularity contest for me. Because aside from a few immunity saves or w/e bullshit that is essentially what this was up until maybe the final tribe.

You know what, maybe I did make the final three because everyone likes me like Balki said, and I did say it is a popularity contest. But hey, I think it’s pretty fucking great that everyone likes me and I could get away with putting in half the amount of effort Balki and Flum did but still have better results than at least Balki. Maybe you two should try being well liked instead of slimey af, it is pretty fucking awesome.

I also don’t really care about this game to be frank, I am never playing another game of Survivor ever again and really this is just a waste of time and a distraction from mafia and diplomacy. I didn’t do anything particularly special to get here (nor did the other two really, I think in all three of us I was actually the person with the most votes on her. I think Flum got 0, Balki got 1, and I got 2 not counting my own vote). And it’s not really that impressive to just be in the in-group the whole time. The only time I felt threatened was the Sharp vs Brisan battle in the final tribe but I came out on top of that too.

So essentially I put in the least amount of effort, won the least amount of idols and challenges, and I’d still probably get more votes than at least Balki if not for me making this post. Listening to how much work Balki put in this stupid popularity contest that he’s going to lose to Flum is just making me laugh at how pathetic it all is. Listening to us all do our best to slander each other in order to put ourselves on top is absolutely not my style what so ever and I do not want to do it anymore. I also acknowledge that I’m not very good at talking myself up. I’m sure I could make myself sound like the most amazing player ever but it just isn’t my style to do that.

I didn’t really want to do any of this honestly, it was all really fucking tough for me and I didn’t enjoy playing the game for a lot of it. In fact, I can’t really think of a part I truly enjoyed. It hurt me to vote out MoscowFleet even though I knew I’d have to do it eventually, it really fucking sucked that I had to vote out Ezio to save ghug, I did NOT enjoy voting out anyone that I voted out (surprisingly, even Bo) and I even felt bad for Manwe because he didn’t even get to have a chance. At the end, I couldn’t bear to vote Balki or ghug because I really like both of them and I value my alliances. I am simply not cut out for this kind of brutal stabbing of your friends over absolutely nothing. When I say I wanted Ezio and ghug in the final 3 with me I absolutely mean it. Because it’s not as important to me to win this kind of weird ass popularity contest as it is just making it here with people I like and I’m under no delusion that I would beat either of them. I would just enjoy playing the game with them. That is the kind of person I am, and that is what I value over winning in a game like this one. I also know none of what I’m saying is good for me in terms of the final vote but it’s ok. These are my feelings, and I want to share them.

And Vash, I genuinely believe you’re shit at making allies and once you deflected to Sharp if it wasn’t for me you would ABSOLUTELY not be here. So it kinda hurts that you’re taking such a strong stance against me and putting me down at every moment. I didn’t know your hard on for Chaqa was that strong and I only wish you would have expressed it sooner so I could have not wasted my time with you. I don’t know why you’re attacking me over Flum, and I don’t know why I deserve the stabs at me over the other two. You’re hating on me more than the guy who voted you out, for..getting rid of Chaqa in round 2? I didn’t like Chaqa so I got rid of him. I liked you so I kept you around. Maybe I played this game wrong but it doesn’t matter anymore.

Jurors, you have about an hour and a half remaining to ask the Survivors questions, then they'll be making their closing statements and you'll be casting your votes.

"Listening to how much work Balki put in this stupid popularity contest that he’s going to lose to Flum is just making me laugh at how pathetic it all is. Listening to us all do our best to slander each other in order to put ourselves on top is absolutely not my style what so ever and I do not want to do it anymore."

The first sentence is mean spirited slander that disrespects me, Flum, captainmeme, and everyone who played the game.

The second sentence suggests that you haven't been mean spirited and you haven't slandered me, Flum, captainmeme, and everyone who played the game.

You've called me an asshole, pathetic, slimy, and a douchebag. I'll continue to talk about you in terms of what you've done in the game. Not about who you are as a person.

I said "listening to us". I did not exclude myself please don't misinterpret me.

I did it, and I hate it. I apologize. I get mad when I hear people manipulating facts and lying and I'm just aggressive as a human being. I'm done with it tho

I accept that. Thank you.

It's not just a popularity contest demon.
I knew going in you'd be tough to beat and I was looking forward to our battle. This is kind of disappointing you actually view the game like this. Now if I win it won't feel the same.

Also just please stop manipulating my statements Balkins, I clearly said "I do not want to do it anymore" which accepts responsibility.

I guess I need to be more aware that my criticizing of games may have extended a little too far.

I do think you played a good game. Congrats on making final 3.

This is quite obviously a popularity contest. The unpopular people had no chance. The popular people allied, got rid of the unpopular people, and here we are. Once you get down to the last 10 or so, the popularity contest wanes into alliances and certain people are going to start backstabbing, but there's really nothing more to it before then. You three are among the popular people. None of you were underdogs. None of you are somehow an inspirational story. You made it here in no small part because a) people knew you, and b) people at the very least were neutral toward you going in. I don't know how any of you can see it any other way.

Me making it to the end of an online survivor gane isn't inspirational to anyone? :(

@Bo, ask the others how long their final tribe message lists are, consider the effort that I put into the game, and think again about whether I think this is a popularity contest.

It's not. It's about working hard. Lots of people are popular. I am here because of the work I did to get here.

I don't agree with "LOLZ who cares." I don't appreciate being called "pathetic" for trying. I'm not ashamed of trying to win the games I play.

Demon, I literally asked you "how can I trust you after that?" on the Chaqa vote and it felt like you dismissed it, I asked for an explanation of everything that happened or a transcript and was met with a mixture of "I'll do it later" and silence. I voiced my concerns, maybe not eloquently, but I did. I expected you to be with me, that if you had an issue with something I was planning to bring it up early and talk it over, not stab me in the back with little discussion. You didn't do that then, and I only expected you to play by what you felt in the moment with little consideration of what it did to those around you, and it seems you did.

As for why the little negatively around the others. I never expected Flum to be with me, I know what Flum is like. I never expected Balki to be with me, I know what he is like. Yet in the early game he counseled and talked to me and seemed to consider my opinion far more than you ever did (before betraying me in ways he didn't need to do at a time when it wasn't that smart to while also playing with everyone).

I probably wouldn't have survived Sharp without you there, I think that was you playing with your heart and not your head, especially since the first thing I did when I went there was lie to you because I went over to take out ghug (a much longer story) and get my advantage. I probably shouldn't have mutinied to be honest, I was in fine position at Birsan, being completely unnoteworthy but crucial enough to not want me out. That doesn't forgive one of the first things you did to me in the game, put forward your own concerns while barely considering mine. If you had done it as some sort of overarching strategy of subtly undermining your allies so you had the best chance in the end, I could respect that (after all it's a game), but it seems it was just you flying by the seat of your pants. Still seems you're a good person, so there's that, but I don't vote off of that.

I don't want your vote. I want you to not talk to me and leave me alone, thx. The Chaqa vote had shit all to do with you, I just didn't want him around. You have a problem? Too bad. I voted off people I know wouldn't be inclined to pick me over others. And hey, it worked and here I am. You can't respect that? Too bad. I don't play Survivor like it shows on TV, but I think I managed a better job than you anyway.

"The Chaqa vote had shit all to do with you, I just didn't want him around. You have a problem? Too bad. "

The issue was that maybe just maybe, if I really was "squad" or even just your ally, that it should have involved me, especially since you clearly knew that I didn't want him gone at the time. Whatever, you have your wish, I'm done with this.

My vote is for Flum if anyone cares.

Didn't know the way to your heart was doing the opposite of saving you. My bad.

I ask that people not insult effort, not vote for "hands clean," not vote for good fortune, and instead vote for the person who played the best game.

From Flum you have seen no transcripts. Maybe he will show them in his closing argument. But I doubt it, because the transcripts are not good for him. What the transcripts show is that Flum did much less than me once I selected him as my ally and initiated our alliance. He takes credit for things like "let's vote Ezio now." But that ignores all of the nudging I did to form Ezio as a gigantic threat to his game in his mind. It's not because Ezio truly considered Flum to be a threat to him, it's because I had been suggesting to Flum for a long time that Ezio was going to vote Flum out, and I had been suggesting to Ezio for a long time that Flum was going to vote Ezio out.

You could vote for Flum because he got the white rock from Demon. But then you see the transcript and you see that when I heard that Demon had promised a white rock to Demon and hadn't handed it over (because I spoke to everyone a ton, and I had all information), I went to Demon, coaxed the white rock away from her, AND solidified a final 3 deal with her that ensured I would make it to the final no matter what.

If you are voting for who played the best game, my move to vote out Snowy may be my best. Because I spoke to everyone -- A LOT -- I coaxed out of Snowy that he did not want me in the final three. He wanted Flum there. He said specifically that is because "for all this talk of honor, I want to win at the end of the day."

Through hard work, and a lot of nudging, Snowy admitted to me that he was going to vote me out at 4, and so I stabbed him at 5.

That's called working hard to get great information and leveraging that information to make sure I would make the final. I did not rely on luck, I relied on my own, now bloodied hands.

If you're planning to vote for Demon, there's not much I can say to you. This shouldn't be a loyalty test or a popularity test. If we wanted to have a popularity contest, run a survey on SurveyMonkey. This is a game, and this is a vote to determine who played the best game.

Jurors, you may no longer post here. You have 24 hours to cast your votes, during which time you are allowed to communicate in the Ponderosa QT.

Balki, Demon, Flum - You all are allowed to make one further post in this thread. Make it a good one :)

I'll be back in 24 hours to reveal the winner of WebDiplomacy Survivor!