https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq43oN2sdAU

@ captainmeme: That GM ruling did not address the specific question that applies in this case.

##CALL GM: If the Mafia team are *certain* that one of their number will be culted tonight, can they vote for that person to be killed, on the basis that they will no longer be a Mafia when the kill actually occurs?

I believe that was clarified on Page 67 Jamiet.

@ ND: No, it was not - not specifically enough for my liking. Please give a clear, question-specific answer.

I'm sick of the bullshit - I don't know why you're GM-ing this way. Rather than saying "I believe that was clarified on Page 67 Jamiet" you could, with no more effort, have said "Yes", or "No".

Cut the crap.

@Jamiet99uk: What about my answer on Page 67 does not make sense to you?

I clearly stated: "we don't think that a Mafia PR using the Mafia NK to kill another Mafia PR would be in compliance with rule 7."

I have stated my request for clarification very clearly. It arises from your "Schedule of Events". I didn't compose that, you people did, so don't blame me.

In the "Schedule of Events" the Mafia NK occurs after culting and masoning. So, as I set out in my question - if a mafia player is culted and *then* killed by the Mafia nightkill, he wasn't actually "another Mafia PR" when the kill took place.

Get it?

@Jamiet99uk: No way for a Mafia PR to know 100% for sure they were going to be culted so thus they can't kill themselves as that would break "playing to the current win condition" of this game.

Whatever. If it doesn't work, I'll lynch him tomorrow since that's apparently okay, or you wouldn't have counted yoyo's vote against me.

Actually yes, that is a reasonable point Fluminator.

##CALL GM: Is it permitted to players to vote to lynch their own team-mates?

@jamiet yes that's the case in every game

Thing is, Yoyo doesn't have same win condition as me, so killing him shouldn't be a problem.

##CALL GM: Why is it ok for players to vote for their team-mates to be lynched? Why does this not violate the "playing to the current win condition" rule?

@jamiet this has been done in all mafia games on this site. That's all I am going to say in comment to that question

Well that's thunderously inadequate.

In mafia games, which this is not, it often makes sense to vote for a teammate to protect your identity. We call this bussing.

ND's answer was probably bad because he couldn't think of a good reason.

@Ghug: This is a mafia game (MXVI).

@ Ghug, I get that.... But my point is, why could threatening to nightkill your mafia buddy not *also* be a reasonable form of bussing?

ND, don't bother responding to Ghug's comments on this not being a Mafia game. He is just trying to provoke a reaction.

Jamie - on pretty much every mafia site I've played on Mafia members are untargetable by the mafia nightkill. It's just how the game works. Bussing is allowed in the lynch, since it's working to confuse the town, but a line has to be drawn somewhere as to what is unacceptable and mafia killing other mafia is not allowed for that reason.

Additionally, the Mafia power roles are supposed to control the nightkill between them, so if one of them wants to kill the other and the other one does not, it's a bit of a difficult situation to adjudicate.

Surely they have a vote?

Really Meme? You're full of shit right now.
You cannot say it's not okay for me to kill Yoyo after he tried to kill me for his own won condition.
Don't pretend, your only trying to convince the mods to not let it happen because it suits your in game agenda.

I have just noticed that the Ninja does not have a win condition.

Also, ninja has control over the vote in the case of a tie. Vecna was voting someone else to kill.

I have a new win condition I'm playing for. Lol

Fluminator - I actually directly asked the question Can a mafia PR nightkill another mafia PR back on page 67, just after Day 2, and the answer the GM posted was no.

Not being allowed to kill someone with a different won condition would be stupid. I'm not caving.

I'm sorry for being a dick yesterday and trying to convince Yoyo to play against his win condition. I got caught up in the heat of the moment, and since it was the only way to stop you from winning that phase I went for it. It was not a play I should have made, but it was made and here we are.

##CALL GM: Why does the Ninja's role description not have a win condition? What is the win condition of the Ninja?