There is also still no conclusive proof that Yoyoyoyoyoyoyozo is the Fabricatist.

"CaptMeme: Ghug, I want to ask what exactly happened that caused you to be at 2 players.

Ghug: Meme, so do we, but ND won't tell us."

I'm not buying this. Either Cult is at 3 (which seems impossible with the votes last Day) or Ghug is unwilling to share the reason. I need to dig into this.

I would anticipate that a question has arisen regarding the exact effects the night after culting a mason who then died. That is, if HR was a mason, would the cult get an action the night after, or not? I'd interpret Ghug's comments to imply that he's tried to get the GMs to clarify the exact mechanics of the rules, and they aren't giving him a satisfactory answer.

I earlier asked a rule clarification question about a particular mechanic and it took me a considerable amount of trouble to get a straight answer. If this is a similar case, Ghug has my sympathies.

HR was not a Mason (or Xorxes could not have become one), but Maniac could have been.. I'm working on some scenarios right now.

I also don't think HR was a Mason - I think your reasoning is right, Claesar. I'm just speculating that this is the kind of thing Ghug was probably trying to get GM clarification on.

Alright, I looked at every possible scenario I could think of that would lead us to where we are at.

Scenario1:
N1: Chaqa suicides and Cult expands. Asimov dies.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N2: Cult takes over HR, who is Deep Throat. Masons therefore have no action. HR dies.
Cult: 2. Masons: 0
So we know this is not true, because Xorxes turned up Mason.

Scenario2:
N1: Chaqa suicides. Cult expands. Asimov dies.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N2: Masons expand. Cult expands. HR perishes.
Cult: 2, Masons: 2
N3: Masons expand. Cult expands.
Cult: 3, Masons: 3
Jamie claims Cultists were unable to convert N3, which is impossible in this scenario.
N4: Cult targets a Mason (who was part of the Masoning crew for the night). Xorxes therefore goes solo and suicides. Maniac is shot.
Cult: 3, Masons: 1
This seems unlikely, as we don’t seem to be facing 3 Cultists.

Scenario3:
N1: Chaqa suicides. Cult expands. Asimov dies.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N2: Cult expands. Masons expand. HR is shot.
Cult: 2, Masons: 2
N3: Cult converts Mason. Masons expand.
Cult: 3, Masons: 2
Jamie claims Cultists were unable to convert N3, which is impossible in this scenario.
N4: Cult cannot expand. Xorxes suicides. Maniac is shot.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
This is the scenario we have been working with, I’d say. Do note that Cult knows who the last Mason is.

Scenario4:
N1: Chaqa suicides and Cult expands. Asimov gets shot.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N2: Masons expand, Cult expands, HR gunned.
Cult: 2, Masons: 2
N3: Cult converts Deep Throat. Deep Throat had voted to Mason, with Xorxes abstaining, so Masons do not expand (GM just confirmed this to me).
Cult: 3, Masons: 1
N4: Xorxes suicides. Cult cannot expand. Maniac is shot.
Cult: 2, Masons: 0
N5: Cult knows there are no Masons left, but they don't tell. Cult takes over control.

This seems far-fetched, but the outcome matches what we've seen so far. I’m not buying it though, as I would expect Deep Throat to let Xorxes do the Masoning in N3.

Any other scenario I was able to cook up led to 3 Cultists. That's not an option, right?

What about a scenario in which the cult had the opportunity to expand, but visited the Ninja?

@ Claesar: Do you believe that Yoyoyoso is the Fabricator? If you do, what convinces you?

@Jamie: Yes, I forgot about that! Back to the drawing board, in a coule of hours.

Noo Claesar! Don't replace out! You're doing really well.
Just wait until the end of tonight at least.

Why are you so uneasy, Flummy, me old mafia mate?

I just don't want him to leave. He's played a heck of a game and we don't want to lose him.

@ Fluminator I'm giving you a FOURTH chance to answer my question about claiming I had "killed" people.

@Jamie: No, I don't think Yozo is the Fab. I think the interaction we saw between Flum and Yozo was a cleverly orchestrated diversion to disguise the identity of the real Fab. A masterpiece, I must say.
Who do you think the Fab is?

Guak?

Captainmeme, since Flum is going to try to force a cult win, I'll help you guys out.

Are you familiar with this rule?
"If the masons target a cult leader then the cult leader and every member they recruited DIES. If the masons target a cult member then just the cult member DIES."

That should make it so that regardless of get's culted tonight, they die along with the cult leader and the existing cult member (depending on whether of not they were culted) then it's just 2 town v flum and you can lynch him.

It would be worthwhile to try to find the cult leader (I'm pretty sure it's Jamiet at this point)

Good luck town. Fuck you ghug, liar. <3

@Jamie: Guak! Of course, Balki was right from the start.

@ Yoyoyoyozo: Ghug claimed he was cult and you are calling him a liar. So you're certain Ghug is a mason?

He's a cult member, you're a cult leader

Please explain "Fuck you ghug, liar." then?

I think, with these extra 3 scenarios, I have ALL options covered. Let me know if you can find another one.

In addition to the 4 scenarios I outlined above, these are also possible if the Cult tried to convert the Ninja at some point:

Scenario5:
Similar to Scenario2, but with 1 less Cult in the end.
N1: Chaqa suicides. Cult expands. Asimov dies.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N2: Masons expand. Cult expands. HR perishes.
Cult: 2, Masons: 2
N3: Masons expand. Cult fails to convert the Ninja.
Cult: 2, Masons: 3
Jamie claims Cultists were unable to convert N3, which is accounted for in this scenario.
N4: Cult targets a Mason (who was part of the Masoning crew for the night). Xorxes therefore goes solo and suicides. Maniac is shot.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N5: Cult cannot expand. Everyone can still win, I think.

Scenario6:
Similar to 5, but with one less Mason.
N1: Chaqa suicides. Cult expands. Asimov dies.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N2: Masons target HR. Cult expands. HR is double-killed by Ninja+Mason.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N3: Masons expand. Cult fails to convert the Ninja.
Cult: 2, Masons: 2
N4: Cult expands. Xorxes suicides. Maniac is shot.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
I think we briefly discussed this scenario during D3, but discarded it. Though it seems somewhat random, it would account for the numbers we’re currently expecting to be facing. Not sure who wins here.

Scenario7:
Similar to 6, but with one less Mason.
N1: Chaqa suicides. Cult expands. Asimov dies.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N2: Masons target HR. Cult expands. HR is double-killed by Ninja+Mason.
Cult: 2, Masons: 1
N3: Masons expand. Cult fails to convert the Ninja.
Cult: 2, Masons: 2
N4: Cult converts Deep Throat. Xorxes was sent on a suicide mission. Maniac is shot.
Cult: 2, Masons: 0
N5: Cult cannot convert. If we kill the Leader N5 or D6, we win an easy victory.
I don’t think we’re this lucky..

He implied that he was the last and would convert me. But that was obviously a lie, since:

1. He is not a leader
2. His miscalculation led to Flum being able to kill me.

So now they pretty much win, unless the masons hit the cult leader.

Yoyoyozo Flum cannot kill you, surely? How would that serve his Victory Condition?

Since he has the mafia kill, he can still technically win without me, and since I have no idea wtf I'm doing, apparently it could still be satisfying the Victory condition if I'm better off for the mafia team dead.

Well, I don't expect to check back here before the deadline, so keep it nice while I'm away.

If I get subbed as I requested, then this is goodbye.

Yoyo, Flum can't kill you. I ##callgm'd this way back on Day 2, asking if a Mafia PR can kill another mafia PR, and they said no. You and Flum are the only people in the game in no danger of dying tonight.

@ Captain: What if Fluminator is 100% convinced that Cult plans to convert Yoyoyozo, so actually at the moment of his death, he isn't Mafia PR anymore, actually?

I'll go back and find the GM response. I do remember bringing that up.

Well the kill is in and neither ND or Prado has said anything