Not it isn't :p

being a women in our society is fucking hard. They perform 70-80% of the work that happens, and get shit and tantrums from creep men who don’t pull their weight but want to have a say in everything women do from parenting to clothing to employnent. Screw off about abortion and go play with your toys.

Let's put aside for a moment your glib dismissal of the many millions of American women who strongly believe in the pro-life movement. How you can both do that and claim to be a feminist is beyond me. The long and the short of it is that you are dictating to women how they should think.

It is plain to me that the difference between a new born baby and that same baby the day before its birth is negligible. Both can easily be considered as fully fledged human beings. It is also plain to me that sperm and eggs are not humans, and treating them as such would be ridiculous. So clearly at some stage the seeds become a human worthy of rights and protection.

My own view is that there is, more or less, a steady increase of... let's call it humanity... during pregnancy. At some stage the new life becomes close enough to a full human to count as one. In that sense I support the abortion laws as they exist in the UK, which has a time limit to prevent late term abortions. However, I don't see how other people taking the view that the start of humanity begins somewhat earlier is in any way worthy of dismissal. It is just as valid as my own opinion, and despite being in the minority in my country should be treated with the respect it deserves. The idea that people who see the early unborn as lives worthy of protection should be dismissed as misogynists or scientific illiterates frankly disgusts me.

Generally speaking my view can be summed up by saying that all abortions are tragedies, but that in some circumstance they are the lesser tragedy.

As to whether be a woman in our society is fucking hard, I asked Mrs Oct and she gave her considered opinion. Distilling down the individual substantive points, and performing some interpretation of phrases such as "feminist crap", "those idiots", and "that bloody website again", I think in summary it's fair to say she respectfully disagrees with your assertion.

The only cartoon characters are people like Ishirkmywork.

Also LOL that Brain doesn't know what a corporation is. HAHA

The pro-life movement of anti-freedom fascists just won a major victory by getting the word “fetus” banned from scientific publications by the Inited States federal government, among other things. Clear evidence that the GOP is run by thought
police.

um a fetus is a person Jeff. It only becomes a person. End. Of. Story.

Hand writing analysis is a subjective evaluation. I really wish I could link to a case where the analyst told police that an innocent man was the sole writer of a lengthy note written by two other people taking turns writing who confessed to being the writers and provided details of their crime confirming it.

Why explicitly ban any words in science?

This sort of doubleplusungood shit is straight out of 1984.

because it's a bunch of anti-science SJW stuff. Like I said the modern left (including Marxists) are anti-Science.

“Science-based” is anti-science?

"Wait Eden are you denying the authenticity of allegations of sexual misconduct levied vs trump?

Under what presumption would you think women would falsely claim he acted inappropriately?

How is PE doing anything other than making himself look like a huge misogynist douche here?"

The accusations are so old that they are in he-said-she-said territory. I don't subscribe to the idea that women are magically incapable of lying to benefit themselves, and lo and behold, at least some of them are known to have been presented with substantive incentive to do exactly that:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/365068-exclusive-prominent-lawyer-sought-donor-cash-for-two-trump-accusers

I think your standard of "misogynistic douche" is rather lax if being skeptical of he-said-she-said claims made at a time to maximize damage to the accused instead of likelihood of investigation, by people represented by career character assassins like Gloria Allred (of Duke lacrosse infamy), with it now known (albeit not at the time of the election) that serious financial incentives were offered to women to come out with the claims, makes you a "misogynistic douche."
It's interesting bb, you don't actually have to know anything about my beliefs on women, except that I don't consider them special or different from men in the respect that they *may* be willing to lie to benefit themselves, to know why I would be skeptical. There's two claims there... people sometimes lie to benefit themselves, and women are people, which get you to the only statement I've made about women here. Which of those two claims is objectionable to you?

"what’s your excuse president Eden? Being “pro-life” is an illogical position that continues the destructive patriarchy."

I have spelled out my reasoning explicitly a few pages back. I have invited you, this the third time now, to read it and address it. Instead of doing so, you keep jumping back to these meaningless buzzwords and looking for some characteristic of my person that will let you avoid engaging me. What the fuck is wrong with you?

"being a women in our society is fucking hard. They perform 70-80% of the work that happens, and get shit and tantrums from creep men who don’t pull their weight but want to have a say in everything women do from parenting to clothing to employnent. Screw off about abortion and go play with your toys."

More incendiary, baseless claims and refusal to engage with an answer you've been given repeatedly. Is that all you've got? "Screw off?"

Funny how I was attacked for being catholic as if there was something wrong with a belief system that values the life of a human being from cradle to grave. Was the first religion that specifically valued women as persons instead of property. That dignified motherhood as special even sacred when before they were nothing more than baby machines and house slaves. That some have twisted and corrupted it so serve their own desires does not invalidate its message.

“because it's a bunch of anti-science SJW stuff. Like I said the modern left (including Marxists) are anti-Science.”

Through the looking glass.

Ishirk, can you explain how pro-life is an illogical position? If I hold an illogical position I want to change it.

@Brad: "Funny how I was attacked for being catholic as if there was something wrong with a belief system that values the life of a human being from cradle to grave."

In order to have been put into a cradle, the baby has to have been given birth to - i.e. it is no longer inside the woman. I am perfectly happy to afford it the rights and protections of a human child at that point. Indeed I think "cradle to grave" is a very sensible way of defining the period during which someone is a living person.

@ND: "Like I said the modern left (including Marxists) are anti-Science.”

Repeatedly saying something doesn't make it true. But of course that doesn't bother to a cultural Nazi like you.

Isn't it obvious, Fluminator? It's illogical because if our marxist overlords don't get a steady stream of unborn children corpses to feast upon, they'll no longer be able to unnaturally prolong their lives through blood ritual and child sacrifice and chart the course our globalised society ought to tread by dictating narratives to the media.

You wouldn't want to live in a world without our immortal baby-feasting masters, would you? Think how much worse off we'd all be.

It is true @Jamiet, and there is no such thing as a cultural nazi. Again with the blah blah everyone I disagree with is NAZI. What a joke. You are a really sad person. I pity you.

There is no such thing as cultural marxism.

Wanted paved roads is called responsible governing
Wanted to improve the lives of all your citizens should always take precedent over catering only to big business and wealthy people.
Improving schools and public health are not marxist values.

Please stop referring to democrats in degrading disrespectful inaccurate terms.

If yer gonna use false hate speech as your talking points please go away.

"Very sad. So sad. So Marxist. Much pity. Will pray for you. Sad." - every ND post ever

@ND: I have indicated my profound disagreement with President Eden, in this very thread, without calling him a cultural Nazi, because unlike you, he is not a cultural Nazi.

Have you noticed how all these CN's started ending disparaging posts with "Sad." as a sentence by itself, only after Trump started doing it?

I mean seriously ND likes to masturbate over Trump so much that he has adapted his writing style to be more like the structure of Trump's tweets.

Sad!

It's some kinda mix between Trump and doge

Cultural dogeist.

"There is no such thing as cultural marxism."

cultural marxism refers to a very far-left ideology that became prevalent in academia, and over the decades has influenced politicians, media and even further in academia. there are actual communist marches in Britain, in Germany and France there are open marxist believers who work politically. in the USA, it's less outwardly prevalent due to the strict anti-communist behavior of the Cold War, and although I'm fine with the more hippie element of it, the "cultural marxism" in academia led to a fairly narrow minded indoctrination of students, and spread into other facets of American society.

many people OPENLY say they are marxists.

so no Brainbomb, cultural marxism DOES exist. it's not some massive international conspiracy, it's not trying to kill everyone, but it is there, and ND can have legitimate complaints about it.

and since Dems are sticking with Bernie Sanders, they don't get to complain about getting called collectivists.



"Wanted paved roads is called responsible governing"

actually agreed

"Wanted to improve the lives of all your citizens should always take precedent over catering only to big business and wealthy people."

no, it's not the government's job to step and try to make EVERYONE'S lives better. only the majorly disadvantaged, and the specifics of that should be decided at local level

"Improving schools and public health are not marxist values."

improving schools? or throwing more funding at them and hoping they improve? trust me I'm from Oklahoma we're getting funding sucked dry, but in too many states the opposite is the problem.

and "improving public health"? I think you mean lowering quality of healthcare and increasing quantity of healthcare, because by almost every objective measure we have the most effective healthcare in the world right there. people treated by the NHS for pneumonia are 5x more likely to die than in the US, waiting lines in Canada are significantly longer, the private market for pharmaceutical is dying overseas, we went from 1971-1980 controlling 31% of new Pharmaceutical entities to 2001-2010 controlling 57% because not only did we grow, Europe has DESTROYED new drug creation.

so I guess that measurement is subjective