Agreed.

When everyone is working towards the draw, then some player pointlessly throws it away.

^ Agreed.

That's even worse than going for the solo with massive CDs?

attacking me...

Hey threatening to throw the game is legitimate. Even beginning to do so is.

Quit the site in a drunken forum rage trying to force cancels in games, having the mods ban him and then coming back the next day and then bitching out people in the games he left who were upset with his idiotic behavior.

Well "going for the solo with massive CDs" doesn't explain the situation very well. It sounds bad, of course, to think of someone soloing in such a way but I don't think it can be applied in the same way that "someone pointlessly throwing away a draw" is always, always pathetic.

Who are you referencing jmo?

^ lolllll whoos achillllies is he nu

its diplomacy!
as long as you dont hold the pause everything is legitimate.
how can you decide what is the best diplomacy?dikishness is also a form of diplomacy.

I am not new, in fact i have a pretty good idea of who he is, just looking for confirmation.

"everything is legitimate."

I don't agree.

People have commonly accepted rules. It's like when people play Monopoly and let someone off paying rent because they offered them "I'll make you a piece of toast" if I don't have to pay.

What about whittling someone out of the draw after they've been instrumental in stopping the solo threat? That's pretty dickish.

oooo toast, aaaaaaaagggghghghghghghghghghgh

Yeah, that is also pretty low. I don't think it's the kind of thing you would do sat round with your friends playing the board game but people treat online differently. But, then again, that is also why you get trolls like King Atom and Thucydides.

Threatening to let someone solo is one thing. Even helping them to the brink of it is legitimate but, if you can stop a solo and don't, then you're ruining the game in my books.

Also, +1 Jmo. I guess threatening to DDoS the game is also considered bad form.

Thucy is right though, it's perfectly valid to threaten to throw a game because people are trying to remove you. One time a player ended up soloing because another didn't take my threats seriously until it was too late, and I stand by my actions there.

@ghug: That's fine. In that case, it wouldn't be "pointless", would it.

"People have commonly accepted rules. It's like when people play Monopoly and let someone off paying rent because they offered them "I'll make you a piece of toast" if I don't have to pay."

Wait that's totally legit. lol

Typical toast-maker response. :P

Seeing that you're about to die because of your poor play and deciding to help the strongest player on the board so that everyone loses together with you. I find that dickish to a high degree.

The point isn't giving up the solo, it's diplomatically making yourself essential to a draw.

Going for a solo by rolling through two or three CDs and refusing to draw.

Also, not finalizing when you're on the verge of defeat.

When someone votes draw but continues to be a dick and ignore their vote and the solo threat.

Not finalizing to drag things out. How can you complain about a lunatic not stopping a solo because of suicidal vindictiveness? That's straight out of real life. Probably the most realistic part of this game...

"Seeing that you're about to die because of your poor play and deciding to help the strongest player on the board so that everyone loses together with you. I find that dickish to a high degree. "

I call that revenge and it is a valid tactic.Threatening to help the winner can be a effective diplomatic tool. I have used that approach myself on more than occasion to snatch a draw from the jaws of defeat. But there is no point making the threat if you aren't willing to follow it.

The problem with throwing the game to the winner is that some players value a strong second more highly than a draw. This may be a valid part of PPSC play, but when it happens in WTA - it is dickish because in WTA there is no second.

typo... But there is no point making the threat if you aren't willing to follow it *through.

I agree with not stopping the solo. But, not in the event that you are screwing someone over that screwed you. In my opinion that is legitimate. But, when a solo is evident 5 or 6 years out and you do nothing but tie another country up, that is dumb as hell. Or, even worse, when a stalemate has been reached and a draw is imminent, but you just can't stand the wait so you stab the other person preventing the solo.

I was amazed when these two things happened to me.

No matter what people say, there will always be the diplomacy-bots who will chant the refrain of "but it's diplomacy, enjoying the game doesn't matter, being a dick is perfectly acceptable" and cite the rules as if anybody brought up the rules.

Dragging things out only to not even put in moves, but just holds, not even out of spite but just to annoy everybody else. Somebody who was Turkey did this and delayed the game 2-3 hours for no reason in a live game.